• JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    I disagree about everyone having to watch it.

    I am capable of believing you, others that have seen the footage, and the reports coming out about what’s happened here. Seeing the act in full detail isn’t going to strengthen my resolve against ICE, nor make me more empathetic to this man or his family.

    This is all barbaric, and while I similarly don’t think it’s getting any better, I don’t have to watch a recording of the last moment of this man’s life to know he was murdered, just as you don’t have to go see his corpse in the morgue to know the same.

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      1 day ago

      No.

      You need the visceral emotional reaction.

      That’s different than logically understanding the abstract concept a murder happened. That’s not new, but what happens in this video is new. It crosses the line in an inexplicable fashion and either enough people see it happen once in this video all at the same time, or we all wait to see it individually in person

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        24 hours ago

        With respect, don’t tell me what I need based on what you need.

        I don’t need to see a thing to have an emotional reaction to it. I am not a child lacking object permanence.

        Being able to watch a dozen different angles of a person’s death in high definition isn’t necessary for everybody. Most murders have no footage, and empathy can still be experienced for them. Surely you also run the emotional gambit when you read of a school shooting, whether or not there is footage of the carnage, don’t you?

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          23 hours ago

          With respect, don’t tell me what I need based on what you need

          You don’t understand any of this, but if you were polite and asked questions I would have explained it and you’d have walked away from this with more knowledge than you had now.

          Think about who really lost in this exchange

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            22 hours ago

            Who really lost? You perceive this back and forth as something that can be won or lost? Both you and I are arguing semantics from behind screens, not out risking our life and limb. There are no winners here.

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      1 day ago

      You do though, because one the authorities start spinning their lies, there will be an element of doubt in everyone who has not seen this video.

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        24 hours ago

        An element of doubt? I can think critically. Can you not? The default thought hasn’t been ‘trust the authories’ for quite a while now. Rather the opposite.

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          24 hours ago

          If you hear two conflicting stories, without witnessing for yourself, there will always be an element of doubt. I’m not saying trust the authoritys, and I don’t know where you got that from. I’m saying you shouldn’t blindly believe what anyone says.

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            23 hours ago

            I got it from the comment you wrote.

            because one the authorities start spinning their lies

            I haven’t suggested anything about blindly believing a singular source. My point is that a video source isn’t necessary for everyone.