Pointing out your ignorance is a great use of sarcasm. It was not just Poland, obviously.
Poland don’t hate everything remotly left wing. I consider leftist. We are not found of comunism, but a socialism find and well. Many thing that you’d consider lefty we consider central, basicly normal or civil right (like universal health care, maternity leave, free higher education, etc). But we are not found of dictatorship, genecides, tyrany and basic fucking monsters who -just an example - deliberetly starved millions.of Ukrainians.
Did you know that the same pilots were not allowed to participate in the victory parade? Most of them never saw home again.
You seems to make an argument that this was either one or another. Putting aside that you ask to split hairs between two most inhuman system in human history. I encourage you to google soviet crimes on occupied Poland during WW2… Did you took a second to do it? Google Katyn Massacre while you at it. Or did you forget that Stalin was hitler’s ally at first and that they attacked Poland together? Or did they still teach you that WW2 started at Pearl Harbor? American exceptionalism didn’t stop you for a moment from assuming that decimation of my nation would be something I know about? And maybe the 1st Wikipedia page wouldnt be something revelatory to me? This is, “I’ll teach this Italian people in Italy how to make REAL expresso” level of 'mericanism.
All this asife, it is simply a false dyhotomy. The better deal could be struct. There were means. There was no will.
There is always a reason to explain terrible things. There is always some pragmatics argument for Yalta, for Hiroshima, for Guantanamo… Sure, you want to be a pragmatic about it… But don’t fucking celebrate it. And apploding Stalin for ending Nazism is like celebrating golum for destroying the one ring. Only more cruel.
American exceptionalism didn’t stop you for a moment from assuming that decimation of my nation would be something I know about?
I’m not even “American”. I am worse than a Yank, I am; may Jan Pawel II have mercy on my soul for uttering this word, a Turk.
You’re saying there’s a false dichotomy, ok. What were you expecting to have happen to get rid of the nazis that were literally industrialising the murder of polish people by the trainload? Also, you seem to know a lot about the horrid things that stalin did, what did he do on the level of taking trainfulls of polish people to factories of murder be worked to death or gassed and cremated?
… I… I don’t… That way you asked the questuons it seems that the answer you are expecting is that, “ok, he did nothing like that”…
… which is shocking to me. You honestly think this was a curveball question? He’s crimes are so well documented.
He litteraly did all of that, minus the gas Chambers. Not from lack of trying Simply not tech savy enougt. But sometimes they had to line up people in a row to kill them with one bullet for time and cost efficiency. Up to 300,000 poles died from cold and starvation when they were deported by million in trains designed to transport cattle. I feel like this is something that should resonate with you becouse thats how he killed 40% of Crimea Tatars. Basic google search would reveal all you asked and more, running people by trains to mass murder them and put in mass graves, running them to force work camps where they were forced to work to their death (please don’t tel me that this is the first time you heard about “gulags”). Mass rapes, mass violatioss, mutilations and castrations of prisoners. You get that all. Nazi soldiers fighted to their death just for a chance to surrender to Americans not to soviets. Even before the war NKVD killed 111,000 poles living in Russia. And that just Poles. If you add other nations. Even if you count just Russians… You must be familiar with Great Terror, right?
Did you google the katyń massacre like i begged you to do?
I’m litteraly shocked by your question. You are quilts litteraly playing a devils advocate here.
Pointing out your ignorance is a great use of sarcasm. It was not just Poland, obviously.
Poland don’t hate everything remotly left wing. I consider leftist. We are not found of comunism, but a socialism find and well. Many thing that you’d consider lefty we consider central, basicly normal or civil right (like universal health care, maternity leave, free higher education, etc). But we are not found of dictatorship, genecides, tyrany and basic fucking monsters who -just an example - deliberetly starved millions.of Ukrainians.
Did you know that the same pilots were not allowed to participate in the victory parade? Most of them never saw home again.
You seems to make an argument that this was either one or another. Putting aside that you ask to split hairs between two most inhuman system in human history. I encourage you to google soviet crimes on occupied Poland during WW2… Did you took a second to do it? Google Katyn Massacre while you at it. Or did you forget that Stalin was hitler’s ally at first and that they attacked Poland together? Or did they still teach you that WW2 started at Pearl Harbor? American exceptionalism didn’t stop you for a moment from assuming that decimation of my nation would be something I know about? And maybe the 1st Wikipedia page wouldnt be something revelatory to me? This is, “I’ll teach this Italian people in Italy how to make REAL expresso” level of 'mericanism.
All this asife, it is simply a false dyhotomy. The better deal could be struct. There were means. There was no will.
There is always a reason to explain terrible things. There is always some pragmatics argument for Yalta, for Hiroshima, for Guantanamo… Sure, you want to be a pragmatic about it… But don’t fucking celebrate it. And apploding Stalin for ending Nazism is like celebrating golum for destroying the one ring. Only more cruel.
I’m not even “American”. I am worse than a Yank, I am; may Jan Pawel II have mercy on my soul for uttering this word, a Turk.
You’re saying there’s a false dichotomy, ok. What were you expecting to have happen to get rid of the nazis that were literally industrialising the murder of polish people by the trainload? Also, you seem to know a lot about the horrid things that stalin did, what did he do on the level of taking trainfulls of polish people to factories of murder be worked to death or gassed and cremated?
… I… I don’t… That way you asked the questuons it seems that the answer you are expecting is that, “ok, he did nothing like that”…
… which is shocking to me. You honestly think this was a curveball question? He’s crimes are so well documented.
He litteraly did all of that, minus the gas Chambers. Not from lack of trying Simply not tech savy enougt. But sometimes they had to line up people in a row to kill them with one bullet for time and cost efficiency. Up to 300,000 poles died from cold and starvation when they were deported by million in trains designed to transport cattle. I feel like this is something that should resonate with you becouse thats how he killed 40% of Crimea Tatars. Basic google search would reveal all you asked and more, running people by trains to mass murder them and put in mass graves, running them to force work camps where they were forced to work to their death (please don’t tel me that this is the first time you heard about “gulags”). Mass rapes, mass violatioss, mutilations and castrations of prisoners. You get that all. Nazi soldiers fighted to their death just for a chance to surrender to Americans not to soviets. Even before the war NKVD killed 111,000 poles living in Russia. And that just Poles. If you add other nations. Even if you count just Russians… You must be familiar with Great Terror, right?
Did you google the katyń massacre like i begged you to do?
I’m litteraly shocked by your question. You are quilts litteraly playing a devils advocate here.
(Sorry for assuming you are American)