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What are you talking about? Jesus helps people cross the border all the time!

Him and his cousin, Jose.

I’m surprised Trump and Musk aren’t up in arms about the “car body count”. “Won’t somebody think of the children… We want to put to work–on overnight shifts, on school nights–making cars like this!”

It’s his own fault. He should’ve brought a switch and started whipping people whilst turning over a few tables.

His behavior wasn’t Christ-like enough.

They created golems powered by compressed air instead of magic.

Definitely marking this down in my mental, “in case of Isekai” notes.

If you studied loads of classic art then started making your own would that be a derivative work? Because that’s how AI works.

The presence of watermarks in output images is just a side effect of the prompt and its similarity to training data. If you ask for a picture of an Olympic swimmer wearing a purple bathing suit and it turns out that only a hundred or so images in the training match that sort of image–and most of them included a watermark–you can end up with a kinda-sorta similar watermark in the output.

It is absolutely 100% evidence that they used watermarked images in their training. Is that a problem, though? I wouldn’t think so since they’re not distributing those exact images. Just images that are “kinda sorta” similar.

If you try to get an AI to output an image that matches someone else’s image nearly exactly… is that the fault of the AI or the end user, specifically asking for something that would violate another’s copyright (with a derivative work)?

…in the same way that someone who’s read a lot of books can make money by writing their own.

I hate to break this to you but that means you’re not normal. If all you ever do in chat is talk about serious things that are of such earth-shattering importance that it would be incredibly rude and obnoxious for someone to post a silent looping video you’re not normal, and no fun at all.

The way Element currently works, it’s made for people like you… A strange minority that probably only thinks about “chat” in terms of communicating for an end goal and not for the pleasure of conversation.

I wasn’t being pedantic. It’s a very fucking important distinction.

If you want to say “unethical” you say that. Law is an orthogonal concept to ethics. As anyone who’s studied the history of racism and sexism would understand.

Furthermore, it’s not clear that what Meta did actually was unethical. Ethics is all about how human behavior impacts other humans (or other animals). If a behavior has a direct negative impact that’s considered unethical. If it has no impact or positive impact that’s an ethical behavior.

What impact did OpenAI, Meta, et al have when they downloaded these copyrighted works? They were not read by humans–they were read by machines.

From an ethics standpoint that behavior is moot. It’s the ethical equivalent of trying to measure the environmental impact of a bit traveling across a wire. You can go deep down the rabbit hole and calculate the damage caused by mining copper and laying cables but that’s largely a waste of time because it completely loses the narrative that copying a billion books/images/whatever into a machine somehow negatively impacts humans.

It is not the copying of this information that matters. It’s the impact of the technologies they’re creating with it!

That’s why I think it’s very important to point out that copyright violation isn’t the problem in these threads. It’s a path that leads nowhere.

I meant it as: You can be a man baby and still be correct. The two are not mutually exclusive.

…but don’t let me stop you from overreacting to random, silly comments said in jest like a man baby 👍

Yeah it’s probably just a client side issue but the OP mentioned Element, specifically 🤷

I just wanted to point out that Element is no fun! No fun at all!

It works and it works great for what it does. Even voice and streaming are great with Element. It’s just got a terrible, no-fun interface and pointless limitations on things like looping videos. You can’t even configure it to make them play properly (as in, automatic and endlessly, the way they were meant to be played! 😤).

Looping videos and animated emojis are super fun ways to chat with people. Even in professional settings! It really breaks up the humdrum and can motivate people to chat and share more.

Element is all serious all the time and going into a chat channel there feels like a chore.

The person making claims is the one that needs to provide the evidence. Anyone spreading unverified rumors should be viewed like The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

In order for a rumor or something like naked pictures to be effective in its purpose of bringing you down or blackmailing you it must cause emotional distress. If you don’t take it seriously–or even better, don’t give a shit about what random strangers say–it can’t have power over you.

We don’t live in tiny, closely-tied villages anymore. A rumor about you may be on the Internet forever but it’ll be about as believable as a “hot singles in your area” ad and the likelihood of someone even finding it goes down over time as it gets drowned out by all the other bullshit that exists.

Even celebrities that are famous for doing stupid shit are finding that nobody remembers their past failings anymore. And they’ll have hundreds to thousands of real news articles about their idiocy out there, ready for anyone to read.

Would you say your research is evidence that the o1 model was built using data/algorithms taken from OpenAI via industrial espionage (like Sam Altman is purporting without evidence)? Or is it just likely that they came upon the same logical solution?

Not that it matters, of course! Just curious.

This completely ignores all the endless (open) academic work going on in the AI space. Loads of universities have AI data centers now and are doing great research that is being published out in the open for anyone to use and duplicate.

I’ve downloaded several academic models and all commercial models and AI tools are based on all that public research.

I run AI models locally on my PC and you can too.

They’re not illegally harvesting anything. Copyright law is all about distribution. As much as everyone loves to think that when you copy something without permission you’re breaking the law the truth is that you’re not. It’s only when you distribute said copy that you’re breaking the law (aka violating copyright).

All those old school notices (e.g. “FBI Warning”) are 100% bullshit. Same for the warning the NFL spits out before games. You absolutely can record it! You just can’t share it (or show it to more than a handful of people but that’s a different set of laws regarding broadcasting).

I download AI (image generation) models all the time. They range in size from 2GB to 12GB. You cannot fit the petabytes of data they used to train the model into that space. No compression algorithm is that good.

The same is true for LLM, RVC (audio models) and similar models/checkpoints. I mean, think about it: If AI is illegally distributing millions of copyrighted works to end users they’d have to be including it all in those files somehow.

Instead of thinking of an AI model like a collection of copyrighted works think of it more like a rough sketch of a mashup of copyrighted works. Like if you asked a person to make a Godzilla-themed My Little Pony and what you got was that person’s interpretation of what Godzilla combined with MLP would look like. Every artist would draw it differently. Every author would describe it differently. Every voice actor would voice it differently.

Those differences are the equivalent of the random seed provided to AI models. If you throw something at a random number generator enough times you could–in theory–get the works of Shakespeare. Especially if you ask it to write something just like Shakespeare. However, that doesn’t meant the AI model literally copied his works. It’s just doing it’s best guess (it’s literally guessing! That’s how work!).

To be fair, both you and your friend can be correct 🤷

Element needs to be better. Discord is awesome with the way it auto-plays looping videos/gifs and has animated emojis.

Seriously: That’s all they’d need to do. The element devs need to focus on fun.

Hopefully AI will change this. In the future, when anyone claims to have such pictures you can just say it’s AI-generated nonsense 🤷

The world will have to go back to actually verifying claims.

We also need to teach our children about porn, damnit! Even if someone posts a thousand naked pictures of you to the Internet it will be lost in the sea of naked pictures. Very few will care or notice and no, future employers won’t go looking and even if they hear about it why TF would they even care? You can still do the job.

Anyone who does care that naked pictures exist is obviously lacking moral character and probably needs to re-think what’s important in life.

Also, the most people will die in red states.

Take of that knowledge what you will.

If you don’t what the OP here is talking about, both Tesla and Musk have loans that require collateral. If Tesla’s stock drops enough it will go below the collateral threshold and the banks to whom the money is owed will come calling.

Since Musk owns many billions in other things he can easily pay up when that happens but wow will it be expensive and embarrassing. He might even fall out of the top 100 richest!

Trump will pardon them. It’s only a matter of time.