There’s a lot you can do, actually. You can put people in jail, for one. Possession in non-designated areas, such as a construction site or a personal residence, could lead to confiscation and a misdemeanor. It can just be socially impolite to have one around people—you know, like your car keys are after you’ve been drinking.

The chasm of understanding is that you don’t want to do anything—literally anything—about abuse in your society.

And for what? So that chatgpt can give you advice on what to order next from your burrito taxi? So that you don’t have to go through the pain of writing a long email to your boss that he’s going to summarize with the same AI service anyway?

I don’t think being able to generate funny looking pictures is worth letting Palantir, another pet project of the vampire Peter Thiel, create a nightmare social-credit system actually worthy of 1984 to deter union advocacy, palastinian-genocide protest, being remotely anti-Trump—anything found disagreeable to the state—from ever realistically happening again. In all countries, mind you.

We can’t do anything about that?

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You know what else we can’t do anything about? Global Warming. When the water wars finally kill us, I suppose I’ll come greet you in hell.

I don’t know if you know this, but there are a limited number of kidneys to transplant. I honestly don’t know what else to say.

Yes. I know you were.
So, is it that you do think a board of real human people is better, then?

Okay? So does it meaningfully help to restrict hammer use or doesn’t it? I’m the one asking the question, you’re just kind of handwaving it away, as if restricting hammers would be “ridiculous.”

People hide their AI usage to avoid hate -> making less people aware of the depths of what it can be used for,

This does not follow. People who despise AI still talk about what it’s capable of. In fact, they probably talk about it more.

Actually, hate and anger spread throughout a population far more easily than genuine interest and novelty. I would think our distaste for it would actually be very helpful for propagating information about it.

you should also know why it’s a good tool for misinformation.

Okay, you’re right that it doesn’t suck in that specific way. But spiritually, it sucks very much.

You’re not really talking about counter-propaganda, though, you’re just talking about people… giving up the fight about it? Because it’s annoying to some game devs? When does the action come?

Keep in mind, any counter-propaganda strategy must involve its (AI’s) eventual dismantling or full, legal banishment because a democracy cannot survive a technology that wears people’s skin and drowns out other voices like this. Democracy cannot survive a Dead Internet.

But really, these technologies have little to no bearing on the debate around AI,

They do in the sense that all of them are driven by neophilia and big tent people horny for cash and power. Bitcoin would have been a paradigm shift had it been adopted by society, but it would have been a worse society. Because Bitcoin sucks.

#1 doesn’t have anything to do with liking it, though, that’s just… knowing what it is. I know what it is, and I dislike it. Like a bad movie, it’s really easy to do.

It will make it easier for them to claw AI technology for themselves

Okay, but why do we want it? What does it do for us? So what if only corporations have it: it sucks.

Do you remember bitcoin and NFTs? Those didn’t pan out very well. They were solutions looking for problems. What is it about AI that I should be excited about?

I’m implying it’s undesirable.

some tools are force multipliers in that action, and thus useful in that case.

Sure. And removing those force multipliers from play can affect the state of the game.

When we get enough hammer murders, then we can talk about restricting hammer use.

How… does… AI… solve the problems of corporate AI? What is the strategy?

And some tools are bad to use. People generally don’t like death.

Weapons are tools. They are tools engineered for death.

No, a hammer is useful.

An ethical, open-source alternative is going to usurp google gemini? What are you talking about?

or make the parents be the casinos’ first line bouncers

Or, you know, we could just have bouncers on site. Such as a system which asks you to prove you’re older than 13 before you’re allowed to access it.

I mean, this sure is a lot of pontificating and wondering about how the legal system could ever handle such an absurdly vague and difficult task when it already seems to be doing that.

I’m going to invoke a comparison here that you’re not going to like very much. I promise, you shouldn’t take it personally.

I have had 1,000 arguments with fascists who looove tilting this way and that about how philosophically undefinable their behavior is. Zeno’s paradox, the ship of theseus, what really is a “casino” anyway? I’ll tell you this: I’m fine with 80% success. “Oh, but what if someone who is 19 but doesn’t have an ID is rejected by the system? They won’t be allowed to play. :(” Uh, that sucks for them. Oh well. I guess they’ll have to go back to Atelier Ryza.

I have too little power to do that,

Damn, that sucks for you.

but what can you do? lawmakers wont make laws …

You elect lawmakers.

just let me remind you that that happens offline, and it is provable if copies are not preserved.

Fascinating.

if someone cannot properly configure their phones, then they need to be made liable

So, this is exactly the problem I have with you and the other person. It’s this contempt you have for your fellow people. It’s extremely selfish. This isn’t how you talk to your neighbors. You’re not getting invited to any cookouts or block parties with this attitude.

If you and I can agree that children shouldn’t be in casinos, then they shouldn’t be allowed into the casino. I am open to your suggestions.

No, you’re making it one to sidestep an issue.

If this bad parenting happens often enough to be a real problem, then whining into the wind that “no one has any common sense anymore,” or whatever you’re doing, isn’t a solution.

I do blame the game a little because it’s a game that really, really, really wants you to spend money on diamond gem funbucks.

Let me ask you this question, hm? You don’t want to show your ID even though we all do that for alcohol—fine. Why not: $80 up front, all banners are periodic DLCs, some of them free, there is more than enough korok seeds in game to get all of them, and they never expire—infinite time to twiddle your thumbs before completing them. Would this not solve your ID problem?

That is, unless you would like to spearhead this global movement to teach underprivileged parents how to configure their phones?

Okay. So argue about that then. What does bad parenting have to do with it?

Okay. So is requiring under-13s to ask their parents. I don’t see what the issue is.

It’s comparable to gambling—you should keep up with the thread.

Damn, got 'em. Actually, they deserve to lose $16,000 while raising a gambling addict because they didn’t pull up their bootstraps and micromanage everything their preteen does in “that colorful game they play.”

Mate, asking under-13s to get parent permission is provoking that good parenting you seem to care about anyway—what on earth is the problem?