they call it voluntary when they are starving and massacring them. Zionists need to be removed from all power everywhere forever. Its a straight up racist political policy of murder and land theft and little else. It is not religion.

“Never again” was supposed to be a shared promise. We can at least keep it even if the zionists wont. As a start, we need to stop voting these people into power in any office. Its past time we make murder and land theft forbidden again.

seems to me they are there to document but not prevent. If they are there to support the occupiers as you said, why would the occupiers fire on them?

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Its absurd that they dont. And that the security council countries doesnt reinforce the positions fired upon and return fire with 100 times the force. Having a veto in the Un should come with a lot of responsibilities.

And Joe Bidens stated policy was not in support of genocide either, was it. Because the laws dont care if a candidate supports it or not, its explicitly illegal. Biden got around that by claiming no genocide was occurring.

Harris also said she couldnt think of anything she’d change from Bidens policies.

And then when asked what about the genocide at a rally she said she believes in the protestors right to speak and said the war is real, but didnt say the genocide was. And then when asked again she said “I’m talking” and shut the person down. Sh always responded with a template which starts with, “I beleive Israel has a right to defend itself” and then she never said if a genocide was occurring, linking every abuse to “defense”, right out of the zionist marketing playbook.

This is your promise of action, huh. This is your proof she was going to do stuff different?

Jordan, No one believed her and they had ample reason to doubt her honesty in this regard. She was not some sort of secret human rights advocate. Her husband is a zionist, and she chose her husbands brother in law to be her campaign manager, who is also a zionist. Joe Biden also claimed he was working around the clock on Palestinians behalf. Do you or anyone else beleive him? But we are supposed to give Harris the benefit of the doubt when she makes the same play? Please.

This campaign lost support across every demographic – some in a big way-- except for a single bump of 1 point in college aged white males. And now the “new” leader of the DNC put up an uber centrist zionist to rebut Trumps latest big speech. Nothing has changed, and Harris was never going to push against the zionist domination in the DNC. She was not the chosen one you think she was.

If our system requires blood to keep functioning then it needs to be smashed and recreated. You’d have it just continue. Although your desire to limp it along kinda makes a sad sort of sense, if you ignore your own hand in keeping it going.

Actions speak louder than words.

Excellent, Now do every state in the US.

So your “fighting fascists” fight is simply to vote for one of their manufactured war crimes choices both of which demanded you personally be accountable for assisting in murder?

Fascism lite is still fascism. Killing fewer people is still killing, and its wildly illegal and immoral, full stop.

Harris’s platform was wildly illegal and immoral. So was trumps. I’m not about to be nagged or threatened into giving my vote to either of those camps.

If that means the country burns itself down then thats fine, we just get a chance to get to the endgame faster where we build it back up to something better. There was nothing down the road of siding with Harris except more zionist puppeteering, and training you all to be nazi prison guards while you deal with the cognitive dissonance of Harris continuing the genocide after you had a hand in getting her in office.

Seems to me that you’re the type of person who, when faced by a thug asking if you’d like their daughter punched in the face or stomach, would pick a spot, and hold the person who forced the choice blameless. In fact you’d elect them to rule over you.

“Saving Palestine”. was not going to happen under either candidate, and the genocide so far has been under dem leadership. Any of that untrue?

if you’re not careful this can easily turn into an accidental alliance with Republicans, and it often does.

OK, it seems to me to be very remotely possible but unlikely.

I’d argue that you’re coming from a consequentialism “the ends justifies the means” standpoint wheras I’m coming from deontological ethics.
I think you’re arguing that “you can do whatever you want to as long as it leads to some identified desired outcome”.

If republicans are pushing for fascism, as we all seem to perceive here, my approach is the exact opposite of that. You dont need to take my opinion on it, you can use classic models which are a whole lot better than nothing. If you read up (its 60 seconds, I promise) on consequentialism you will see the Harris campaign outlined pretty spot on, and if you read up on deontology you will see the ani genocide crowd, again spot on. Then take a step back and think which is a better way to fight the vast and sprawling abuses of fascism.

I dont think winging it ends-justifies-the-means style is going to cut it with these stakes. I’m not saying I’m sure I’m right, but I’m positive that I’m doing my best just like I 'd guess a lot of you think you are. When we think of what a bright future is, its a system of laws that irons out basic unfairness and brutality. We all want this. We disagree on how to get there.

I see, so its the anti genocide/“basic human rights arent negotiable” side thats at fault for the US falling apart?

On a very personal level, I’m trans. Your voting ideology has directly contributed to the loss of my rights, my safety, and my future.

Harris read the polls on the number of people like yourself who would make a deal on her platform. People like yourself who care mostly about your trans rights, even if we’re talking about murder of innocents. With that data she thought she could roll the dice on winning. If fewer people had not projected that they’d allow her platform to win, she would have changed it. And we wouldnt be in this spot. Let me ask, did you vote uncommitted in the dem primary? It wouldnt have cost much of anything in terms of results of that race.

You didnt did you.

I dont vote for any mass murderer. You did.

Shall we go back to school and use Humes simple test for ethics? “What if everyone did that?” If everyone votes like you do we’re always going to have a dem who’s merely slightly better than the fascist from here on out. You voted to keep this hostage vting situation going indefinitely. I chose to let it light itself on fire, which happened without the left lighting a single match. If the dems werent on side because they wanted to take zionist money, thats not on me. The dems left their traditional platform, we leftists didnt leave it-- we’re still standing where we’ve always stood. And the zionists were never about to allow the dems to get their own direction back.

Biden/Harris killed almost 50 thousand people on their watch. It’ll be much more when the bones of dead civilians pinned under rubble are actually counted.

If you were honest you’d say you considered both of the candidate to be equal on the gaza war crimes and you voted to keep the rest of your life going undisturbed

I guess the death of the US and …blah blah blah

That was a winnable race. Harris dchose to lose listening to her zionist boss, her zionist husband and her zionist campaign manager brother in law. I am just a voter with some ethics unlike you lot of war crimes jrs.

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EDIT: Can’t stand to keep your bullshit unedited?

yeah I’m sorry that edit button exists. I dont know what to tell you. Theres probably a complaint form around here someplace you can use. Sometimes you need a couple edits to get a concise message. Such is life on reddit and lemmy.

Thats fine. Youve got blood on your hands.

I wasnt out to teach a lesson, I was out to let this place implode. I dont export our countries war crimes to other places because thats momentarily more convenient for me-- like you’d prefer.

What else was the alternative? A mixed-race woman as President?

Yeah, I’m not playing your stupid “pick one zionist or another” game.

I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more. If its a choice between fighting the people we’ve always fought or fighting the murderous traitorous political hostage takers in our own party who espouse the same evils our enemies do, for sure I’m going to clean house of the traitors first, and give them 10x the loathing I would give a traditional enemy. Backstabbing war criminals deserve no less, and Harris was a backstabber who chose to lose rather than throw the Palestinians a bone. That was her choice.

And thats who you want to complain about now? Not bothered that she supported war crimes when the republic was at stake, but just that someone with dark skin and female sex organs didnt win? Seems like a pretty trite and privelaged concern for you to engage in when innocent human children are being blown apart.

and to be clear, I didnt vote for either Harris or Trump. I left just that section blank.