Commiunism

The average workers for Israel literally go on the news to yell how happy they are to have a chance to contribute to the atrocities.

First of all, how do you even arrive to the conclusion that it’s the “average workers” based off of a couple of people whom they might have grabbed off the street or maybe somewhere specific like a pro-war protest that admittedly do happen.

Second of all, the media is literally nationalized by Israeli government who have an imperialistic interest in the war, and maybe it’s a crazy theory but maybe spreading such propaganda and exclusively shaping pro-war narratives is part of their job? Like, if someone dissents and says anti-war slogans on state media, they’ll just arrest them and cut the recording out until they find a more aligned person or just script it entirely?

Regardless of what you think about political systems, sometimes it’s just that people are inherently evil. As the US elections showed us.

There’s a long and exhausting debate that can be had here, but I personally disagree strongly because this is the type of rhetoric and narratives that fascists spin, but turn it against who they paint as enemies. It’s the material conditions that drive human behavior and who they support, and things have been going downhill which prompted people to turn reactionary, start trusting the pro-Trump propaganda, refusing to trust “liberal owned media” and this is something that’s happening worldwide with the rise of far-right. Trump himself didn’t drop out of the sky and ruined everything, things were already broken enough for people like him to take the opportunity.

Okay, let’s ignore for a moment the fact that most of these reports come from sources who would imperialistically benefit from Israel’s failure (like Iran, Saudi) and the fact that Israelis also have an oppressive government who isn’t afraid to suppress dissent and there might be a degree of intimidation as an incentive for people to just say that they support it - this tells us that ALL of Israeli nationals are ontologically evil. That an entire nationality is a hivemind, and all of them without exception are evil. If this is what you truly believe, then welcome back Adolf Hitler.

As for resistance, even though I personally think protests are pathetic, Israel has those - anti-government and anti-war protests where you have the far-right ramming cars into the protestors. There’s also numerous conscientious objectors in there who were being conscripted into IDF but refused, landing them in jail. Also, active censures from work and school for pro-Palestine sentiments. The latest act of resistance from what I’ve seen was thousands of Israelis marching on a military base to end the starvation in the region.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/thousands-in-tel-aviv-rally-against-gaza-war-demand-to-stop-the-starvation/

Now be so kind and stop dehumanizing other people, especially workers.

Yup, there’s a ton of people online who obsess about “doing something”, without thinking of what that’s actually going to achieve or who they’re actually affecting

What’s the point though? The atrocities committed are being orchestrated by the ruling capitalists and politicians in Israel, not the average worker who has no say other than the threat of jail for soldiers who refused to commit them, and even those that do are tricked by indoctrination that it somehow benefits them.

The only ones benefitting are the capitalists, not workers who might be torrenting

There are a ton of people like that, but they’re mostly found on real life, facebook and other similar social medias and not lemmy or reddit or twitter - those are terminally online echochambers, but I’ve seen one or two people going “thoughts and prayers” or “all violence bad”.

Also, my position is more complex than “violence can’t solve problems” - it can, but it must be organized, with clear goals in mind and people already behind and actively part of the cause.

If you just go in lone wolf style like Luigi or something and gun down a CEO, you expect for the public to see this, get inspired to take up arms of their own and start Years of Lead where rich people are fearing for their lives and suddenly we have a revolution like in some sort of Hollywood movie, but that’s not what happens in reality.

Instead, media tries to demonize the shooter by saying how good the victim was and how their family is grieving (happening right now) to tug on heart strings which will at least turn some people against them, the shooter being made example of in court which essentially throws their life in the bin, the CEO being replaced by someone else in a week’s time and people forgetting about all of this after news cycle moves on. I genuinely only see Luigi mentioned on lemmy here given how he’s the liberal larp darling here, and nowhere else I visit or IRL.

Also, if we’re talking history here, then here’s a fun factoid - some Anarchist burnt down Reichstag in opposition to Hitler and his Nazi party, but this fire was later used by Hitler to expand his powers, suppress civil liberties and was pivotal in establishment of Nazi Germany. Of course, this is only something to think about with more brutal regimes, but nothing like that will probably come out of this shooting.

A good example of organized violence is probably that of the Bolsheviks pre-Russian revolutions - they had bank robberies, political assassinations that were used to fund the revolutionary underground and destabilize the regime, and not merely some bouts of individualized violence.

I love it when some shooting or tragedy happens, if it’s workers then all they get is one line at best and their lives get abbreviated to a statistic, but when some capitalist dies every news site writes about how great and authentic they were for a couple days.

Though given how this shooting was an example of lone wolf adventurism, it’s quite dumb to support it - the CEO will be replaced by an identical cog in the machine like always, a decent part of the public will get alienated thanks to anti-violence culture and media narratives (as seen in articles like there) and the shooter just threw away their life.

Though I won’t lie that it doesn’t make the day a bit better to see capitalist get gunned down