And even when it gets heated, people still seem to listen and not just performatively push agendas. Seen more "fair enough"s than in years of Reddit.

I see your point. Not sure about the portion of bad vs good, but I’ve seen both, for example about the drive by wire stuff. There was some genuine interest in the CT before we actually got to see how much of a POS it really was.

TBH, it’s gotten a lot of press, much more than most cars, ev’s or not. Much of it negative though, so not calling it hype is valid.

“What do I care for your suffering? Pain, even agony, is no more than information before the senses, data fed to the computer of the mind. The lesson is simple: you have received the information, now act on it. Take control of the input and you shall become master of the output.”

Sheng-Ji Yang, Alpha Centauri

Apple TV most certainly collects information too…

Not really. Ads aren’t gonna dissappear, with Mozillas tech, they’d at least be more private than what Google will implement.