NoneOfUrBusiness

It doesn’t, but it makes—or should make—a difference to the people outside of Afghanistan. This is violence, and therefore a violent response to it is completely justified and shouldn’t make the outside world say bullshit like “But extremism!” or “Can’t they just Nonviolently Resist™?”. Also—and probably more importantly—it’s important to be consistent in our understanding of this stuff, because, for example, Zionists use these same fallacies to discredit the Palestinian resistance.

The single biggest stumbling block for any state to leave the union for any reason is the military. Most of the other problems can be resolved within the borders of the state, but the disposition of existing and theoretical new military hardware, personnel, and bases will always be a sticking point even assuming the federal government and the other states are willing to let them leave.

I mean it’s California. At that point just get a few neighboring states on board, take all the military hardware and shit and be like “Wanna go to war over it?”.

I can’t find anything in these links about the EU reinstating sanctions, only keeping sanctions that hadn’t yet been lifted.

The EU falling in line when Trump broke the agreement has set back European policy by years if not decades and a mayor escalation the West Asia could push Europe over the cliff into full blown Fascism.

Did the EU fall in line? I mean they dropped the ball hard but didn’t they try to continue the agreement after US withdrawal?

Uh… Arresting people for criticizing the government is Nazi behavior.

No make no mistake; that’s not non-violence. Infringing on people’s freedom of movement (or anything other right) under threat of violence is violence.

Yes, two choices: to resist, or to not resist. You could’ve admittedly defeat after actually doing something, but with how things actually went down? I’m perfectly willing to say that Trump is America’s just desserts.

Let’s hope Bibi’s corruption is stronger than Israeli rule of law, because fascists don’t deserve democracy.

Again, the only two choices were: donvict or Kamala. That’s it. Nothing else. Best option was to vote Democratic all down the ticket then do everything possible to lean on Democrats to stop supporting Israel.

No. You could’ve leaned on the Democrats to stop supporting Israel before voting, while they still needed you. Leaning on them after the election would’ve had absolutely no effect and you know it. Relinquishing your right to act during the only time where you have a chance of success is indistinguishable from inaction, hence Americans chose not to oppose genocide.

Isn’t the current time line the result of that success, when it came to telling people to not vote as a form of protest anyway.

No. A success there would be for significant numbers of Democrat voters to form a united nationwide and loudly declare that they’re not voting blue until XYZ (not necessarily only Gaza-related) demands are met. People just quietly not voting is the worst possible scenario, as it gives anti-fascist/anti-fascism-if-it-affects-me forces the illusion of victory only to hand fascists power.

And if you sympathize with people in October who said “it’s too late,” what’s the difference between that and “it’s too late, we can’t do anything (right now)?” I think those two groups are the same people in a way.

The difference is that they could have done things then and simply chose not to because they didn’t want to rock the boat. Also I’m sympathizing with positions here, not with people. If person A said “nope, can’t do shit now” in August and also October then I have no sympathy for them even if I agree with them to an extent in the latter case.

I didn’t mean to assume anything, just wanted to spread the word since the two-party fallacy is depressingly common around here.

Also, what option did I eliminate? You’re acting like election day was the only time people tried anything.

No I’m not; quite the opposite in fact. Some people did try something, but they were met with either inaction, ridicule or straight up derision. Again, my problem isn’t with the people who said “it’s too late” in October; I can sympathize with that view. My problem is for the people who kept saying some combination of “it’s too late we can’t do anything” and “lalala I can’t hear you” when it was, in fact, not too late. Opposition to the Gaza genocide is almost as old as the genocide itself, and the Uncommitted/Listen to Michigan Movement got going before the Michigan primary in February. My problem with Americans is that, faced with this golden opportunity to catch the Democrats by the balls and demand real change, the best they could do was “hold your nose and vote for her”. An anti-fascist movement that doesn’t have it in it to effectively object to genocide isn’t an anti-fascist movement; it’s an anti-fascism-if-it-affects-me movement. For scale, the Spanish planned an honest to goodness general strike when their government didn’t go as far as they wanted in its opposition to Israel.

As Hamas is an insurgency working inside Israeli-occupied territory, Israel does not in fact have the right to defend itself in this case. They only have the right to engage in counterinsurgency efforts after guaranteeing the rights of all occupied people under international law.

There is even a comment saying this is our punishment for funding genocide. Families that are being broken apart, rights stripped away, growing tensions with literally everyone, and a fucking DOGE department, that’s our punishment for trying to not make things not as terrible as they could be.

I’m the punishment guy. First of all you ignored the latter half of my comment, where I said that this contradiction between civil rights at home and genocide abroad was only going to result in Trump. You can want things to happen all you want, but it was never going to work in reality. Second, yes, exactly. It’s your punishment for eliminating the option where you oppose genocide out of hand when you had a whole year to change course. I can barely accept saying “it’s too late to change things now so vote blue” in October, but “hold your nose and vote for her” in August, or—even worse—“Biden can’t step down now” in February? Calling anri-genocde critics of the party MAGA or Russian trolls? Fucking unforgivable. I have seen the way Arabs opposing the genocide of their friends and family were talked about here, and the “leopards ate my face” comments on every article about the death of a Palestinian. Not every American is directly responsible, don’t get me wrong, but with a crime as big as the merciless murder of at least a quarter million people almost every American is one way or another within the radius of moral culpability.

Tl;DR: Didn’t want MAGA Hitler? Then you should’ve opposed the damn genocide.

You the People of America had a year-long referendum on the subject.

LOL, you think most Americans, let alone most Democrats, support funding genocide abroad?

Not enthusiastic support, but “Let’s wait for Later™ before we do anything about this” is also support. The resulting anti-dissent defensive herd mentality is proof of that. You’ll probably defend that as “strategic voting” or “picking your battles” or whatever, but nothing less than a resolute “No” is acceptable as a response to genocide.

No one deserves a shitstain like donvict ruining the country and working to make the entire world worse.

Really? Because I can think of a few names. And in the first place things are only getting worse for the first world; the destruction of the American-European imperial alliance will be met with celebration over here, but let’s not lose sight of the point. Keeping your civil rights without opposing genocide was a losing proposition from the very start, and no amount or “hold your nose and vote for her” will change that.

The cheeto isn’t not that bad. The Democratic establishment is just that bad when it comes to Palestine. The cheeto is still as bad as can be, but in this particular case the Democrats also are.

Trump is, in more than one way, your punishment for trying to have civil liberties at home while funding genocide abroad. That contradiction was only ever going to result in one thing and that was Trump.

Wait what? How am I being pretentious? I’m not being defensive I actually have no idea.

Watching the Cons explode would only be better if the NDP and Greens received more votes for it.

Be the change you want to see in the world. In ridings where conservatives have no chance getting people to vote NDP or Greens is a very valid strategy.