My friend group also jumped to that first, unless it’s federated though it’s not going to be “like discord” enough in the long run.

Part of what makes discord so good to many is that it’s one app where you can connect to various different friend groups/modding groups/artists/etc…

Matrix does allow that with its federation model, ts6 does not 🤷

I never said you should, I’m literally arguing the opposite and saying that’s exactly the problem with discord jfc.

Edit: the problem with discord is not that its real time communication or information is not findable in the app, it IS, its that the information is not available outside that environment.

I’m clearly talking about discord with the discovery point, and that is exactly what I’m saying lmao.

Also a bit of a stretch to call reddit a forum, it is similar but not the same, and we’ve already seen how reddit being a centralized service is a bad thing.

I literally used forums for over a decade, grew up on them, ran my own phpbb and vBulletin, forums suck when real time communication with the same features and MORE exists.

Edit: The world is never going back to IRC or forums, get over it.

What we can do, is build a better platform learning from the failures of existing platforms. It seems everyone here doesn’t understand that is exactly what I’m saying.

Forums are archaic, which is why they died and platforms like reddit and discord flourished.

I obviously have problems with both of those platforms, which is why I’m on Lemmy and love the idea of federation.

I like the idea of Matrix, however I don’t see any indication in the slightest that it is going to solve the real problem with how discord is used in relation to being a “troubleshooting/ticketing/solutions” gateway, as far as I’m aware they are not indexable and accessible outside of using a matrix client.

The best of both worlds would be federated, have features built with indexability and discoverability in mind, while still retaining the real-time communication aspects that discord has.

“Asynchronous communication has the added bonus of keeping the solution easily available” no, that’s not a feature of asynchronous communication in the slightest.

Forums can and do go down or get deleted, there’s nothing inherent to it that makes it stay any longer then discord messages.

I’ll keep banging this drum for those who still don’t get it, the problem is DISOVERABILITY. Discord does not make conversations in their version of forums or threads accessible to outside users and that is actually where it goes wrong. Nothing about real time discussion limits indexability its simply how discord decided to go and to your point, people want everything in one place so they use the convenience provided by discord.

You can jf you join the discord and search lmao, but I already said that the issue is discoveraviloty outside of the discord environment so I’m not arguing that point.

It actually is, you’re just not connecting the dots.

The people use discord already to game and talk with buddies, developers of various apps/services then use it for similar and answering questions or troubleshooting issues in real-time.

Forums are archaic and difficult by comparison, don’t get me wrong, I don’t like the situation either, but I understand how and why we got to this place, and what would solve the problem is if that data was indexed in a way that search engines could use them, but because you have to have a discord account and join the server and have access to that particular section because of how discord is designed it is not really possible.

I actually freaurntly find helpful information in discord servers using search, but again, agree that it is not designed well for what its been forced into by network effect and convenience.

Edit: I’ll also point out forums aren’t permanent either lol, like 99% of forums I used to frequent are completely gone.

Actively troubleshooting an issue in discord is easier then making a forum post and going back and forth that way, which is why it has moved to discord organically.

“No good reason” homie you ever use a forum?

Discord is so much better for real time conversations. The biggest problem is to the point of this thread, discoverability is non-existent, you have to join the discord to be able to search for what you need.

Trying to point my friends towards matrix/element, they already started a teamspeak server instead though >. >

The biggest issue is it didn’t seem like matrix/element has streaming video in voice chat, we use that pretty heavily as we’ll play different games and just hang and talk several streaming at a time.

Idk if youve been living under a rock, but we have a facists government in power with direct ties to our tech oligarchs who have literally said they’re trying to harvest everyone’s data.

Its not a conspiracy, its just fact.

Look into Peter Thiel and Palantir, look into Epstein and his ties with Trump and the tech broligarchs, look into Cambridge Analytica and Meta, its really not difficult to see how all of this is coalescing to harvest all your data and use it for whatever they want across a gigantic database and while you might think it’s already hopeless that doesn’t mean you should make it even easier for them to do so.

“They already have your data bro, it’s fine just let them scan your face too bro, it’s all a third party really bro trust them.”

AMD has historically been pretty good about that, releasing the feature for newer cards* first then backporting.

Nvidia doesn’t lmao

If you don’t think this is all a pretense to collect more data and sell it… All the way up to the govt enforcing these rules lmao

Same, WFH for 4 years and forced back in last year 3 days and now 4 days is coming.

I’m depressed, calling off more frequently, get less done in the office… Idk how long I can keep it up.

Definitely true and fair, though I’d say that would more likely apply to some… Maybe actually negative character traits which maybe should be adjusted.

I think there’s a hard line to find between “being yourself” and “this is something I should actually change to be a better person”

Real talk, if you have to fake it with your significant other, maybe you should rethink things.

I’m glad I can be my normal goofy self with my wife.

Just realize Americans are not a homogeneous group, of course Google/Meta/MS/Oracle are all shitbag companies with leaders who support Trump, as far as I’m aware Gabe does not and has not contributed to rightwing government.

I understand the frustration and mistrust, I live here. But it’s important to realize that is a small minority of people no matter how much of an outsize influence their power and corruption has over all of us.

Israel is bad, but not all Israelis or Jews are, not supporting Israeli companies that are govt backed/ran by "ex"IDF makes sense, but companies that don’t shouldn’t be lumped in just because of that.

“You can’t have Americans in charge of major platforms.” Lmao what

Its what happens when any religious text ~~is beholden to interpretation. ~~