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  • You are completely ignoring the under ideal circumstances part.
    They can’t drive at night AFAIK, they can’t drive outside the area that is meticulously mapped out.
    And even then, they often require human intervention.

    If you asked a professional driver to do the exact same thing, I’m pretty sure that driver would have way better accident record than average humans too.

    Seems to me you are missing the point I tried to make. And is drawing a false conclusion based on comparing apples to oranges.



  • I think the fair comparison would be humans that drive legally.
    Idiots that drive high or drunk or without prescription glasses or whatever, shouldn’t count as “normal” human driving.
    In the same way a self driving car can have issues that will make it illegal.

    The problem is that legal self driving Tesla is not as safe as a legal person. I sees poorly at night, it gets confused in situations people handle routinely. And Tesla is infamous for not stopping when the road is blocked from 1m and up, and for breaking without reason. I’ve seen videos where they demonstrated an unnecessary break every ½ hour!! Where a large part was the German Autobahn, which is probably some of the easiest driving in the world!!


  • Because they are driving under near ideal conditions, in areas that are completely mapped out, and guided away from roadworks and avoiding “confusing” crosses, and other traffic situations like unmarked roads, that humans deal with routinely without problem.
    And in a situation they can’t handle, they just stop and call and wait for a human driver to get them going again, disregarding if they are blocking traffic.

    I’m not blaming Waymo for doing it as safe as they can, that’s great IMO.
    But don̈́t make it sound like they drive better than humans yet. There is still some ways to go.

    What’s really obnoxious is that Elon Musk claimed this would be 100% ready by 2017. Full self driving, across America, day and night, safer than a human. I have zero expectation that Tesla RoboTaxi will arrive this summer as promised.