For fucking reals. Sign me up to get scanned while taking every drug imaginable!!! I would love to see for example why cocaine for me with my adhd has like none of the affects that other people have. My buddy rips a line “IM ON TOP OF THE WPRLD” I rip a line “fuck I should prolly do my taxes”
So by your logic a child locked in a room with no understanding of language is not capable of thought? All of your reasoning for why a computers aren’t generating thoughts are actual psychological case studies tought in the abnormal psychology course I took in high school back in 2005. You don’t even have to go that far into the abnormal portion of it either. I’ve never sat with my buddies daughter’s “classes” but she is 4 years old now and on the autism spectrum. She is doing wonderfully since she started with this special Ed preschool program she’s in but at 4 years old she still cannot speak and she is still in diapers. Not saying this to say she’s really bad or far on the spectrum, I’m using this example because it’s exactly what you are out lining. She isn’t a dumb kid by any means. She’s 100x’s more athletic and coordinated than any other kid I’ve seen her age. What he was told and once he told me I noticed it immediately, which was that with autistic babies, they don’t have the ability to mimic what other humans around them are doing. I’m talking not even the littlest thing like learning how to smile or laugh by seeing a parent smiling at them. It was so tough on my dude watching him work like it meant life or death trying to get his daughter to wave back when she was a baby cuz it was the first test they told him they would do to try and diagnose why his daughter wasn’t developing like other kids.
Fuck my bad I went full tails pin tangent there but what I mean to say is, who are we to determine what defines a generated independent thought when the industry of doctors, educators and philosophers haven’t done all that much understanding our own cognizant existence past "I think, Therefore I am.
People like my buddy’s daughter could go their entire life as a burden of the state incapable of caring for themself and some will never learn to talk well enough to give any insight to the thoughts being processed behind their curtains. So why is the argument always pointing toward the need for language to prove thought and existence?
Like is said in NY other comment. Not trying to prove or argue any specific point. This shit is just wildly interesting to me. I worked in a low income nursing home for years where they catered to residents who were considered burdens of the state after NY closed the doors on psychological institutions everywhere, which pushed anyone under 45y/o to the streets and anyone over 45 into nursing homes. So there were so many, excuse the crash term but it’s what they were, brain dead former drug addics or brain dead alzheimer residents. All of whom spent thw last decades of their life mumbling, incoherent, and staring off into space with noone home. We’re they still humans cababl3 of generative intelligence cua every 12 days they’d reach the hand up and scratch their nose?
I’m super stoked now to follow this and to also follow the progress being made mapping the neurological pathways of the human brain. Wanna say i saw an article on lemmy recently where the mapped the entire network of neurons in either an insect or a mouse, I can’t remember. So I’m guna assume like 3-5 years until we can map out human brains and know exactly what is firing off which brain cells as someone is doing puzzles in real time.
I think it would be so crazy cool if we get to a pint where the understanding of our cognitive processes is so detailed that scientists are left with nothing but faith as their only way of defining the difference between a computer processing information and a person. Obviously the subsequent dark ages that follow will suck after all people of science snap and revert into becoming idiot priests. But that’s a risk I’m willing to take. 🤣🤣🍻
So that doesn’t really address the concept I’m questioning. You’re leaning hard into the fact the computer is using numbers in place of words but I’m saying why is that any different than assigning native language to a book written in a foreign language? The vernacular, language, formula or code that is being used to formulate a thought shouldn’t delineate if something was a legitimate thought.
I think the gap between our reasoning is a perfect example of why I think FUTURE models (wanna be real clear this is entirely hypothetical assumption that LLMs will continue improving.)
What I mean is, you can give 100 people the same problem and come out with 100 different cognitive pathways being used to come to a right or wrong solution.
When I was learning to play the trumpet in middle school and later learned the guitar and drums, I was told I did not play instruments like most musicians. Use that term super fuckin loosely, I am very bad lol but the reason was because I do not have an ear for music, I can’t listen and tell you something is in tune or out of tune by hearing a song played, but I could tune the instrument just fine if I have an in tune note played for me to match. My instructor explained that I was someone who read music the way others read but instead of words I read the notes as numbers. Especially when I got older when I learned the guitar. I knew how to read music at that point but to this day I can’t learn a new song unless I read the guitar tabs which are literal numbers on a guitar fretboard instead of a actual scale.
I know I’m making huge leaps here and I’m not really trying to prove any point. I just feel strongly that at our most basic core, a human’s understanding of their existence is derived from “I think. Therefore I am.” Which in itself is nothing more than an electrochemical reaction between neurons that either release something or receive something. We are nothing more than a series of plc commands on a cnc machine. No matter how advanced we are capable of being, we are nothing but a complex series of on and off switches that theoretically could be emulated into operating on an infinate string of commands spelled out by 1’s and 0’s.
Im sorry, my brother prolly got me way too much weed for Xmas.
Just for the sake of playing a stoner epiphany style of devils advocate: how does thst differ from how actual logical arguments are proven? Hell, why stop there. I mean there isn’t a single thing in the universe that can’t be broken down to a mathematical equation for physics or chemistry? I’m curious as to how different the processes are between a more advanced LLM or AGI model processing data is compares to a severe case savant memorizing libraries of books using their home made mathematical algorithms. I know it’s a leap and I could be wrong but I thought I’ve heard that some of the rainmaker tier of savants actually process every experiences in a mathematical language.
Like I said in the beginning this is straight up bong rips philosophy and haven’t looked up any of the shit I brought up.
I will say tho, I genuinely think the whole LLM shit is without a doubt one of the most amazing advances in technology since the internet. With that being said, I also agree that it has a niche where it will be isolated to being useful under. The problem is that everyone and their slutty mother investing in LLMs are using them for everything they are not useful for and we won’t see any effective use of an AI services until all the current idiots realize they poured hundreds of millions of dollars into something that can’t out perform any more independently than a 3 year old.
Fuck me that is so cool looking. It looks like a geographical negative of the Adirondacks lol. If all the water were land and the islands of land were lakes. It’s gotta be a glacier thing, right?
I’m not saying you are wrong but I do feel there is a huge part of this that I see a ton of people who share the same sentiment seems to always be over looked. What people don’t seem to address is the fact that these corpo monsters don’t thrive on feasting on your bank account, they thrive feasting off the mass compliance of consumers bending over and taking each and every butfucking these corpo vampires can throw at the consumer market.
I can’t imagine a better business model than having the ability to actively lower operating costs, forcing their workforce to produce worse and worse quality products or services for every subsequent generation of the product, passing all the shit onto a furious customer base who constantly expresses hate towards the corpo circus all while continuing to fucking purchase the shittier and shittier products like it’s some mating cycle, which further allows the corpo clowns to cut MORE costs by all but dismantling their customer support branches because they’ve realized customer satisfaction carries ZERO weight to give any sense of return on the investment they put into customer satisfaction or retention.
I dont mean for this to be any slight towards you, and I acknowledge the Lemmy community is prolly the strongest demographic out there who puts up a stand against the enshittiication movement. I’m just bitching to bitch because the biggest corpo holiday just concluded and fuck me did it put a dent in my wallet. Granted it did alnost all go to toy manufacturers cuz I’m still new at being an uncle and love spoiling the niece and nephew to fuck with my brother.
So tldr: fuck the enshittification movement right in its fucking fuck hole but it will never have a chance to die unless a massive amount of people decide to toss personal conveniences to the wind and start standing up for their greater qualiry of life’s sake.
No shit. Worked as a sous chef for years but somehow never made corn bread to know it even had HFCS in it much less how it was viewed in the global culinary community. Good shit, thanks for the knowledge.🍻
Huh? Are you trying to take a swing at corn bread cuz homie, every southern matriarch would like a word. Don’t shit on corn bread lol. But for real what is the connection between corn, chocolate and cake. I’ll be the first to admit candy corn is candy from Satan’s anus. The closest I can gather is carrot cake and that shit is just as good as corn bread if not better.
I don’t even understand how they’re so fucking cheap to make? I don’t vape but I smoke the disposable weed pens when im hunting or golfing and they cost the same per mg of weed as just the carts you need your own battery pack for. OK as I’m writing this I’m realizing it may be the profit margins of weed that is dictating this and not the cheap disposable pens🤣
Lol could you imagine. 1 million 18650 rechargeable batteries a day you could salvage/collect? I’d be modding everything with battery packs and toss all usb chargers out for no reason but dramatic effect. Lol
That title reads like a drunkin Facebook post by someone’s 80 year old aunt.
Most government shit regardless of country is using outdated as fuck tech. Budgets don’t work like the open market. There is no such thing as ROI for a government.
I’m late to the thread but am I understanding this correctly? The issue is gaming on a Linux or non-windows pc, right? Also, the general sentiment in this chat room is to not buy the games requiring windows, right?
Are you all high or just idiots? What cinpany is going to give a flying fuck if 1% of their customer base stops buying. 100% of all Linux gamers would have to commit to even make the 1% dent. 🤣🤣🤣
Ugh can’t believe I’m guna do this but it’s understandable to layoff an employee not knowing they’re on maternity/paternity leave since the pandemic. I am only speaking for NY State, and know it’s different state by state. After covid they did the paid family leave and maternity leave changes that I thought were done at federal level but could be wrong. If the woman was laid off SEVEN MONTHS into her maternity leave then she was using googles maternity leave plus paid family leave which is federal, plus whatever Cali gives you for time off. Correct me if Im wrong but no state or company is giving 7 months paid maternity leave.
What i was getting at tho is, with some of these maternity/paternity leaves, you can disperse them over a couple months. What this means to an HR dept is, an employee could go thru the company’s allowed time off, then use the states, then use the fed.
I know it’s google and I’m speaking from the experience of running a small business but HR is making “i’s” get dotted, paychecks don’t bounce and state and federal paperwork is files for all scenarios that demand it. I could see it being very easy to lay someone off not realizing they are on maternity leave and not just out on disability or sick leave.
I mean who the fuck takes 7 months off for a fuckin baby anyway🤣 what are you guna do jump back into the routine like you didn’t miss a step so they layoff your fill in? I looked it up and according to google themself they just increased their l3ave to 24 weeks. So she spent the maternity leave and was prolly using vacation or the other options. In which case why would google be liable?
Why isn’t there an unfederated rule banning youtube, Twitter and whatever else links? I only ever see youtube and Twitter. Forcing people to break convenient habits is the only way anything will ever change. I know that mentality seeeeeeems totalitarian but thats only because it absolutely is. Lol
Here’s a thought. Leave Facebook and spend more time with family and friends wether it be in person, on the phone or over text. You’ll feel better for doing it and your family will be happy to hear from you. Deleted mine close to 10 years ago and have never had a desire to go back.
Yo that shit is funny as fuck. The whole trailer plays like something out of Maic Quest.
The comment you’re being a douche to declares they only can read the title. The title makes two statement of facts formatted to imply that one cause the other. The comment you are being a douche to givers their opinion that correlation does not mean causation. The topic of the title and article is one that is widely discussed in all cultures and regions.
Do you really think being a douche was the appropriate response to this scenario? Did the person make preposterous claims under some false front of reading the article when they actually didn’t? You post an article protected behind paywall, then act like a douche when someone comments? They clearly were interested in reading what you took the time to post so explain why your response is so abrassive? I admit I’m way over the top in my reply to you about your response but fuck that was such an annoying way to act.