Iran’s state-run IRNA news agency has reported that at least 40 people were killed after an Israeli strike hit a girls’ elementary school in Minab in the southern Hormozgan province.

This is a developing story. I’ve provided some micro-updates in the comments, focusing on the verification of the story.

I recommend this Middle East Eye, and this Guardian article for more on this story.

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    I also believe Israel is committing genocide and war crimes against Palestinians, and it is true that Israel’s actions in Gaza and the West Bank have included it attacking civilian targets. As you say, allies of Israel tend to deny this for political reasons. (For completeness, let me also state that I believe that Hamas are just as evil as Israel - but with less power, so Israel is simply able to kill more.)

    However, so far, the attacks of the US and Israel against Iran have been very precise and only legitimate military targets and personnel have been hit. Soon into the 12 day war Iranian civilians realized how precise the attacks were and were not afraid of going out. Instead, the attacks have been celebrated.

    There’s been leaks from the IRGC that the plan was to attack its own people in the case of a US or Israeli attack. This combined is why I doubt this to be an attack by Israel. Of course eye witness accounts would count, but I do not trust media controlled by the Islamic regime, directly or indirectly.

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      However, so far, the attacks of the US and Israel against Iran have been very precise and only legitimate military targets and personnel have been hit. Soon into the 12 day war Iranian civilians realized how precise the attacks were and were not afraid of going out. Instead, the attacks have been celebrated.

      Was this verified by independent sources?

      There’s been leaks from the IRGC that the plan was to attack its own people in the case of a US or Israeli attack.

      So you want independent verification of some incidents but leaks are fine as long as it aligns with your bias?

      Are you aware of your hypocrisy?

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      However, so far, the attacks of the US and Israel against Iran have been very precise and only legitimate military targets and personnel have been hit.

      For that to be true, you’re gonna have to discount all this (more pending):

      • school staff eye-witnesses speak of the strike, including of rescue efforts that match Revolutionary Guard footage shared on telegram.
      • factchecking service used by major news org verifies video of the site-post impact.
      • reuters verifies the same video
      • Journalist in Iran aljazeera trusts enough to use his reporting ON IRAN, says there is more verification beyond the governmental statements.

      Honestly, I shouldn’t even be listing these, when they are almost as concisely available in the linked updates.

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        I do not doubt anything about this attack taking place nor these details about it. It is a horrible attack. Do you have any evidence linking it to Israel, that is not just “Israel is attacking Iran today so this must be the work of Israel too”?

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          I apologize, and thank you for your patience. I didn’t quite get your point about origin of strike.

          It sounds pretty damn dodgy to me. But, yes, there is no verification of the strike’s origins to my knowledge.

          Actually there is at least some verifying material:

          From the last image of the Factmeh presentation

          A map of the “Asef Guards Barracks” area shows that the Shajareh Tayyebeh IRGC Navy Girls’ School is located within the compound.

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            In the comments of this link you have two different people theorizing it is the IRGC who did this. I’ve read elsewhere that that this school is located within a military complex has been lifted as an argument that it is the work of the IRGC, as it would be easy for them to carry it out.

            I haven’t seen any concrete evidence that it is this way or another. Let’s say that it is an Israeli attack - you could perhaps explain it as an attempt to hit the military complex that went horribly wrong. But the US and Israeli attacks have overall been more precise than this.

            The collateral damage in other cases have been limited to unlucky people being at the wrong place at the wrong time, where the legitimate target happens to be. I read that so far there’s 133 civilians confirmed dead, of which 108 were at this school in question. Attacks like this will always have some collateral damage, and except for this school, I think it has been rather low.

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              We have the same evidence, I can’t really add anything concrete to it.

              What’s your point? That it’s more likely this was a self-sabotage? Or that it’s still a possibility? Without concrete evidence, I don’t know. And I don’t really wanna theorize, but having focused on this story, I care about the girls and the people at the school and their relatives. They are not just numbers. So I’ve thought about this a bit as well.

              If they [the aggressors] missed that there is a fucking school with very young school girls as part of the compound, then it’s an intelligence failure and still the aggressor’s responsibility to have caused this tragedy through their shit senseless offensive. And if they did know, they failed a moral test by attack anyway.

              I don’t accept that they needed to kill them as part of war strategies. Expect some damn accountability. That includes if Iran self-struck, but even that, as you claim being a rumoured strategy, is also something the aggressors should’ve known about.