Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728
Ahoy mateys!
A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.
But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …
More context
Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.
As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …
Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.
In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.
Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated
i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it
So, it’s not about “Israelis vs Palestinians”, or wider, “Israelis vs Arabs”. It’s just literally about the establishment of Israel as a nation? That’s it?
Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?
Telling that you can’t separate a nation that was founded as a settler colony less than 80 years ago from its entire population.
It’s about colonialism, which is exactly “Israelis” (colonizers) vs. Palestinians (the native people). Again, people like Ben Gurion and Herzl were extremely open about this.
The only one here who is a proponent of genocide is you, because you support colonialism and colonialism is genocidal.
Why do you consider Israel to be the settler colony, and not Palestine of both peoples were in the exact same situation 80 years ago? Both were living in the region (and spread out all around the world, with a higher percentage of Israelis than Palestinians “roaming”) for thousands of years, both nations were established at the exact same time with the exact same resolution. How is only one of them a “settler colony”?
Again, this is only true if you either ignore all the archaeological and historical evidence we have, or are a fundamentalist extremist who’s calling for a genocide. Which are you?
That’s not how words work, mate.
“Israel” is a colony because it was founded by European settlers who OPENLY proclaimed that fact. They gladly and openly bragged that they were displacing and massacring the native Palestinians to colonize the region. All your bullshit about “Israelis” “roaming” is historical revisionism meant to justify the Nakba, which is a genocide. Ashkenazim are Europeans.
Settler colonialism requires the displacement and elimination of at least the vast majority of the native population to succeed, it is genocidal by nature. You are a genocide supporter and a genocide denier.
So anyone who supported the end of Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa was pro genocide.
Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia and South Africa? You can show me on the map.
Imagine trying to argue that Rhodesia still exists and expecting anyone to take you seriously
Are you saying that Aliens stole it and placed Zimbabwe in its place…?
I hope you understand that playing semantic calvinball doesn’t actually convince anyone
I hope you understand that you being completely out of arguments is evident here.
My “argument” is that your obviously just playing semantic games, which you are.
Well, in that case, all I can recommend is re-reading what I wrote, because you either didn’t get it, missed it, or misunderstood it.
Zimbabwe.
Post-apartheid South Africa.
I’m sorry, are you a disabled person? Or did you forget the point you guys were trying to make?
Rhodesia changed its government and name.
South Africa changed its government.
No third parties partitioned the lands of either.
Your examples are advocating for my approach of punishing the leadership and giving the people a fresh start.
Damn, I can really feel how tempted you were to use the r-slur there. Not surprising that a zionist and a colonialist would also be an ableist.
My examples are advocating for decolonization done by the people there (Palestinians). You’re the one imagining “third parties”.
You do that a lot, don’t you? Imagine things about people you disagree with and then assume they’re true.
I’m imagining third parties? You just stated that Palestinians are Israelis, mate. To the Israelis (and their nation), Palestinians are the third party (and the other way around).
You really are having trouble grasping simple concepts.
Hamas’ stated eradication of Israel = genocide.
The removal of Israel’s government, reform, security guarantees towards Palestine = not genocide.
I thought this was relatively simple to get.
I don’t need to imagine, you called me “a disabled person” as an insult. That’s exactly as bad as using the r-slur because it’s literally the same thing.
Shut up, lmao. I’m tired of dealing with your colonizer ignorance. Several people have explained to you several times how and why you are wrong and it’s clear that your racist condescending European colonial attitude makes it impossible for you to actually grasp the reality of colonialism and therefore the reality of “Israel”.
40 years ago you would have been crying about how “the Blacks” want to commit genocide against the white South Africans and denying that they were colonizers too. Before you cry about how you “didn’t say that”, that’s what’s called a “hypothetical”. It’s meant to demonstrate your gross racism in a way that’s easier for you to understand, because the two situations are the same but everyone today knows that the South African example would be obviously racist.
Go read the 2017 charter instead of assuming the people you think are below you match the caricature you have of them in your head.
I asked you as a hypothetical. It was meant to verify the cause for your gross historical ignorance and genocidal tendencies.
Yeah, by ignoring archaeological and historical evidence. Cheers for that. I’ll stick to facts, not fundamentalist faith.
“Both peoples have the right to the land their ancestors come from” - such colonialism, much condescension! Wow!
One people living in an area and getting a country: all good.
Another people living in an area and getting a country: COLONIALISM!
Are you hearing yourself?
The two situations are MASSIVELY different.
Whites had no business being in SA in the first place, especially as colonisers.
Whereas Jews/Israelites lived in the Palestine Region for at least 2600 years before Israel and Palestine became a thing.
OK, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and let you explain it to me.
Let’s even ignore the fact that Hamas keeps flinging dumb rockets at Israel non-stop. Let’s even pretend that the recent attack was “an inside job” or something.
How are they going to “restore the lands of Palestine”, defined as “everything between the river Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea” without literally making Israel non-existent, thus eradicating it?