It’s been almost 30 years, and now the Final Fantasy 7 remake is out for everyone. I always said I’d buy the remake when it came out, but ~$500 was too much (for the game plus the console it required). When it came to PC (via the Epic Games Store), I was a Mac user. Now it’s out on Xbox and Switch, and I’ve played through it on the former.

Of course, I loved the remake from the start, from the expanded opening showing the dystopia and the lack of plant life, the extra scene where Aerith’s flower is stepped on before she can pick it back up, and of course the characters having voices. But then, shortly after the intro movie, I started to notice changes I didn’t like. I’m fine with you not being able to rename characters. All I really changed was “Aeris” to “Aerith,” correcting the translation mistake, but the remake already does this. (I also corrected “Red XIII” to [redacted] (spoiler) so when you get his real name, you get funny dialogue where Cloud asks “Who is [redacted]” and the other character says “[redacted] is [redacted].” It’s not important, it’s just funny to me, but it bothered me that after you learn his real name, you still call him Red XIII, so I always named him what his real name is from that point forward.)

Then after the first part of the training mission, we get back to Seventh Heaven, and I don’t even have the option to give the flower to Marlene. I thought that option was special in the original, but the remake doesn’t allow it. We’re not giving it to Tifa because at no point does Cloud see Tifa like that — yet. It doesn’t make sense. He has the flower because Aerith made him take it. Cloud’s basically ace at this point, and he doesn’t want to lead his childhood friend on. He just wants to get paid and move on. Aside from discarding the flower, which isn’t an option, giving the flower to Marlene makes the most sense. Cloud sees that everyone in Avalanche has hope. Marlene only sees her daddy and his friends (who she also likes) go out and leave her alone every day. So you want to give her some hope. Having Cloud give Tifa the flower by default was the first half of my first issue with the remake.

In the original, Cloud loses some of his edge around the second mission. Meeting Aerith in the church, meeting her mother, the interaction with the Turks, and the whole Don Corneo business changes him a bit, and he lets more of his human side out. Not in the remake, he just stays an asshole through the whole thing, which runs through the Shinra HQ escape. Minor spoiler, but only for those who played the original and understand the context. You escape from Midgar HQ, you do the road scene, and instead of fighting the boss after, you fight the boss still on the bike. Then you fight Sephiroth for some reason and… that’s it. It’s over. You gotta wait until June for the second part, unless you pay $700+ for a PS5. And no one has the third part yet, even if you pay the steep fee for early access. We’re not even sure if the third part will be further delayed on other platforms. So that’s another issue — even those who paid the premium to access the second part early don’t know when they’re getting the third chapter, or even that the third chapter will be the final chapter. It’s all up in the air.

What really convinced me the remake was kinda bad wasn’t just the extra mission with the new Soldier villain (which is just training you for the bike mission at the end), but it was after Aerith is taken (sorry, minor spoiler) and you talk to her mom and you get her back story. Even with the voice acting… I remember thinking this scene hit so much harder in the original. But, buying Remake on the Xbox came with the original, so after I finished Remake, I fired up the original and started playing. It only takes about an hour or two to get to this scene. To do everything in Remake takes 20-40 hours in Remake, but it only takes about 3 hours in the original, due to all the fluff that was added. (Some of that fluff is good, but most of it literally exists to waste your time.) I got to that scene, and it hurt my heart nearly as much as it did the first go-around in 1997. I think it’s the music. The music in Remake simply sucks. The music in the original was hot garbage because it was MIDI. I remember paying $40 to import the CD, then I found a 10MB pirated copy online. All the songs in MIDI except “One-Winged Angel” which was an MP3. I played the songs on the computer and the CD in my CD player. Sounded the same. But anyway, Nobuo Uematsu has since re-released music from Final Fantasy VII, with a full orchestra, and it sounds amazing. You don’t get that in the Remake. You get boring, drowned-out songs. You also get this random ass song with vocals by Yosh from Survive Said the Prophet (Japanese rock fans know who that is) but you can never hear the song, even in the trailer. You have to go on a streaming service and look up the song and play it outside the game. It’s not just weird. It’s bad. The music was such an integral part of the original game, warts and all, but they couldn’t get that right. And Aerith’s back story just fell flat. It could have been amazing with the newer, non-MIDI, orchestral recordings, but we didn’t get that.

If I said I wasn’t going to play Rebirth when it comes out in June, I’d be fucking lying. Of course I’ll play it. But I’m already to the Temple of the Ancients in the original. The original is ugly and the music is MIDI, but it doesn’t completely disrespect your time (there are too many battles, but they can be disabled, but you shouldn’t disable all of them), and it’s still a great game. And it doesn’t shut down on the train tracks leading to the town with Barret’s back story like the original PC release did. They either used the fix from the Ultima Edition (a pirate release), or they fixed it on their own. Either way, you can play past that point now. You can probably play the entire game legally now without original hardware. That wasn’t an option before — either you were emulating the PS1 version or you were running the Ultima Edition, even if you bought the PC release because no one ever played the PC release past Disc One. It just wasn’t possible to proceed due to an unpatched bug. Fortunately, digital releases such as Steam, App Store, Xbox, PlayStation, and others, do allow patches and so the game was fixed. Anyway, of course I’ll play Rebirth, and I’ll play Reunion as well — what I assume the third one will be called, given the context and the pattern — and I damn sure can’t wait to see what the new World Crisis scene looks like (that’s not really a spoiler, and neither is this: if you have to go to the bathroom when you’re fighting Sephiroth for the last time, pause during the match, because you won’t get a chance during the nine minute cut scene that follows. At least it was 9 minutes on the PS1. It’ll probably be longer in the remake. And I can’t wait to see it. And I can’t wait for someone to recut it with better audio.

  • BaraCoded@literature.cafe
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    23 hours ago

    Ff7 remake is 100% fan-service AAA slop. Play real jRPGs, play Persona5, Expedition 33, play the original, but not that brain-rotting time-stealing remake, it’s an insult to life itself.

    Although I admit it was a very pretty game. Now all they have to do is take their precious game engine and make a real game out of it.

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      23 hours ago

      FF has been steadily turning from actual role playing games where the gameplay was once in the driver’s seat and the scenes and story add spice and flavor, to vaguely interactive “cinematic experiences” where the story being endlessly shoved down your throat is the purpose, and the gameplay is just a repetitive distraction from the real novelty which is the crazy stories and cutscenes they come up with.

      Ironically FF7 itself was probably the beginning of that trend, thanks to the ability of Playstation CDs to hold so much FMV compared to the limits of ROMs at the time. They dove in headfirst and never looked back, and that came to define the franchise from that point forward. 3 Discs of FMV was pretty over-the-top for their first release on the platform, but the franchise’s addiction to relentless cinematics never waned, it only increased. And the relegation of gameplay being put in the passenger seat, then the back seat, then the trunk, then dragged behind the vehicle to its inevitable death as the art and story become the sole focus became more pronounced with each new entry in the series.

      I loved FF7 (and 8, and somewhat less 9, and even 10, and 12 have some redeeming qualities) but the steady and continuous trend away from compelling gameplay towards visual spectacle is abundantly clear.

      I haven’t played an FF game since 12, remakes or otherwise, and I don’t plan to. I’ve read the writing on the wall, and I see who they’re making games for, and it’s not me. Maybe it’s other people. Maybe it’s themselves, I don’t know. All I know is it’s not me. I have no interest.

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        17 hours ago

        Yeah, I’d describe the Persona games as a nice change of pace, but they’re not particularly deep. Persona divides it’s bandwidth between the JRPG and VN elements but doesn’t go too far in either as to make it overwhelming.

        The core Shin Megami Tensei series is probably the better representative for that type of JRPG, but fewer people give a damn about those games because they aren’t cute Japanese high school simulator.

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        15 hours ago

        At the time their modern formula appeared on PS2 (Persona 3&4), they were a welcome change of tone and design in a market dominated by Final Fantasy-ish operatic jrpgs.

        They’re obvioulsy milking it now, which make the apparition of Expedition 33 and other -indie- JRPGs a very good sign to me. I’d love a remake of Vagrant Story or Koudelka, too…

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      20 hours ago

      I’m not a fan of JRPGs. FF7 was kind of the exception. I tried 8 and 9, but couldn’t get into them.

      We have Persona 5 on PS3 and Persona 5 Royal on Switch. It’s a cool game, but I can only hear you’ll never see it coming but so many times before I go mad. I’ve met some of the voice actors though, so that’s cool.

      I wish I got to play more of Expedition 33. The first part was a blast. Then I got to this fight I thought I had to lose because it was scripted. When it ended and said I died, I’m like “when did this become Dark Souls?”. Took me right out of the immersion. I’ve heard the difficulty has been balanced since then? I ended up reading a summary of what happens in the story, and I am so lost… I imagine if I experienced it in-game as opposed to reading a couple paragraphs on Wikipedia, it would make more sense.

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        15 hours ago

        Your expedition 33 experience is relatable, actually. They’ve made a Jrpg so well they even got the “let the scenario become confusing as fuck” part right.

        Like FF7 remake 1&2 :) Or Kingdom Hearts.

        I think what you like about FF7 remake is that it is not a JRPG, but an action-rpg. I’ll say it’s a good one on that aspect, I just hated the generic ubisoft open-world design with tons of boring minigames as fillers for badly paced/light novel narrative beats.

        I do love Persona 5 OST but yeah, there is an overdose at some point. Expedition 33 avoids that by having a specific OST for each zone of the game.

        I have no specific action-rpg to recommend in mind, except kingdom hearts 2 if you feel like going a bit retro.

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        19 hours ago

        The further you get into CO:E33, the more it becomes about parries, and the less your actual RPG systems matter. And the story…I’m guessing you understood it just fine. It kind of discards a lot of its setup in the transition from act 2 to act 3, replacing the beginning of one story for the ending of a totally different one.

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          15 hours ago

          I actually enjoyed that, and it was foreshadowed, but i’d also defy anybody to explain FF7 Remake’s scenario to me in a way that’d make it clear XD