https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2025/06/30/canadians-react-to-cancelling-digital-services-tax/
Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.
Only the stupider Canadians that don’t understand negotiating.
I understand that Carney could have held on to it until the end of the negotiation. Instead he gave it up and got zip in return. Not to mention, the costs of the DST would have translated to higher costs to Canadians. So he was always gonna let that one go. The timing of it was not ideal.
The only saving grace is if we go in on a DST with the EU later and if a deal is not struck by July 21 I fully expect the DST to be back on (seeing as it needs Parliament to be sitting in order to repeal which won’t be until September).
As Canadians we cannot expect Carney to fix the problems on his own. We, as individuals, need to stop buying American to the fullest extent that we can and if we can’t buy Canadian either buy other countries or not at all. It’s amazing the stuff that you don’t actually need but have been manipulated into buying due to American advertising. It is hard to do it overnight but with time, most American products can be resourced.
If you let the tantruming baby have his way all the time, he’ll continue expecting to get his way all the time when he’s older
Is that person a Canadian? Social media posts aren’t really indicative of the general feeling of a given populace. It’s dangerous to think otherwise.
GTFO out of here with your logic and measured takes. This is Lemmy.
So does no one here understand the concept of manufactured chaos as a distraction ?
The service tax was put in place ages ago but was never enforced. It’s the same trick with the whole border czar bullshit where Donald needs to feel big about something as a distraction despite its a throw away card and often something that was already agreed upon even without the US.
Carney only kicked it up for Donald’s ego to feel like he made a deal. Why? Cuz Cheeto thrives on drama. Meanwhile Canada stole the wheat export market from right under the nose of trump. As well as a few other things no doubt.
Canada is slowly disempowering US but needs some keys to periodically dangle in Donald’s face while they do it.
Sheinbaum is a pro at this game and has been playing it cleanly for 7 months. Carney’s simply following suit.
I’m gonna need some citations or sources for that.
AFAIK, the service tax was not “put in place ages ago”. It was put in force in June 2024, literally last year, and the first payments were expected literally yesterday, on June 30th, 2025. It’s retroactive, but still only goes back to 2022, which isn’t “ages ago”. Source
And what’s this wheat market steal you’re talking about?
I agree with your skepticism on this one.
Especially given what we can see with regards to US tech companies being complicit with a bunch of the authoritarian stuff going on down south, moves to disrupt their monopolies and try and foster a more local industry makes a ton of sense. Many of Carney’s decisions lately align with US interests more so than Canada. It’s not overly surprising, he’s not pro-Canadian companies / people, but pro-business and international trade (at the expense of locals if need be), in a fairly generic neo-liberal way.
Also, bending over right before Canada day is just such a dick thing to do as PM. He should be trying to lead / inspire national pride, not appeasing foreign interests, for at least like 1 week of his term.
Still prolly better than PP would’ve been though. With PP we would’ve had Elon here Musking up the place.
Before we applaud the 5d chess move, we are a bishop down, and no obvious plan to gain back prosperity/material. Flattering the narcisist with a sacrifice to win is indistinguishable from continued full submission and gaslighting us into it.
Rutte did it too with his daddy comment. Stroke the ego of the big baby and prevent more tantrum from said baby
To the simple minded it looks like that.
But I’ve already explained it goes deeper than that.
Always remember who we voted against. We would need special instruments to measure how quickly Polyestre would have caved.
Yeah I know. PP is a Trump fluffer to the ultimate. He would have been an unmitigated catastrophe and it troubles me how close that fuckwhit came. And how he continues to try to remain. But unless Carney shows tangible results (which includes NOT capitulation to fash), his term as PM will be one and done.
Our choice was Nazi’s or standard conservatives disguised as liberals who are still just monarchists and kowtow to strongmen fantasies.
Either way we’re bound to regress.
Yep, I’m slightly upset. Does he actually think something worthwhile is going to come out of the negotiations?
Already sent an email to my MP, at least it’s something.
Me too - people are pissed. We do not capitulate to fash. Poland and Austria did and Germany still invaded them.
I’m curious to hear Charlie Angus’s response to this capitulation.
What sort of thing do you write? I’m always uncertain how to word these types of emails.
My two cents: Imagine you’re writing a polite (or not) note to your neighbour about something they or one of their family members is doing that is causing harm to your neighbourhood.
State what you don’t like, why you don’t like it and implications, preferred paths forward, and outcome you’d like to see. If you know what your ‘neighbour’ campaigned on/the rhetoric they used, particularly if you voted for them, you can reference that (for example, “The Elbows Up movement united Canadians at a time of great uncertainty. It is incredibly discouraging to watch our representatives drop their guard against US interests with no regard for, and active hostility to, the interests of Canadians.” or whatever).
If you want, you can close with the suggestion that should you feel they are not adequately advancing your interests as a constituent, they will not have your support in the next election. Taking from the neighbour analogy, think “If you don’t shape up, we’ll take this to the HOA (your fellow constituents) and kick your ass out.”
How much good does this all ultimately do? Depends on who you ask, really. But as a Canadian you have the right to express your opinions and concerns to those who represent you in government - so say what you want heard. No matter the impact, it’s better than silence.
Y’all are remembering that it’s us Canadians that will be paying this tax, right? It’s not going to affect any company’s bottom line in the slightest.
That’s fine, it allows Canadian companies (that pay tax on money earned in Canada) to compete
It only applies to a few enormous corporations, that mostly generate revenue through ad sales.
Would Canadian companies really all have increased their Facebook ad budgets over this? I kinda doubt it, tbh
I can’t believe Carney was a spineless liberal moron all along! Who knew?
I mean… On the things to cave on… Caving on a tax paid by CANADIANS is not the worst thing in the world.
But the bigger part here is that we finally stopped trade negotiations, and now we can assume this means they are starting again
This seems really premature. I dislike Carney’s policies for a bunch of reasons, but it’s premature to shit on him for this. We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.
The last time Trump threw one of these tantrums, NAFTA morphed into USMCA without much of a hit to our economy (afaiu). If our government can repeat that success while we’re diversifying our economy away from the US then that’s a win.
I really don’t care what the trade deal looks like, letting the US president dictate Canada’s internal tax policy is a bridge too far for me.
THIS ^^^
You just said why it’s a stupid, stupid thing to do: Trump would have caved anyway. All Carney had to do is wait.
That he would cave so quickly shows how little he values Canadian interests over American profits.
And to that I would just add - people are PISSED. People will literally self-deputize in a second if America rolls in with tanks or drones or whatever (they are already setting the stage for that with their relentless internal and external rhetoric about how “dangerous” Canada is with migrants and terrorists supposedly flooding in to their stupid country from the northern border). This is a very sketchy time. America can 🖕🖕🖕🇨🇦hates you
We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.
It doesn’t matter since Trump can reneg on it at any moment as he did with the previous one
What Carney did here is signal trump that he will chicken out even faster than trump does at any tartrum he throws
The US wiped its ass with first NAFTA, now CUSMA, it will wipe its ass with whatever comes from this shitshow. The US cannot be trusted. It’s signature is worthless on any documents. I hope this is all lip service and we are doing the real trade negotiation with the EU, Asia, Lat Am.
precisely, which is why I see zero benefit in appeasing or even negotiating with the orange turd
Out of curiousity, how many workers should lose their jobs to appease your sense of righteousness?
A trade negotiation is not the same as bowing to fascism.
If the reason for doing the wrong thing is “the jobs” then you need to rethink your reasoning.
Trump can’t be trusted. Canada did negotiate a new deal first admin, only for Trump to come screaming again saying it was terrible and demanding a new one. It’s bad policy to concede to the US right now.
It’s a trade negotiation, it’s literally all about the jobs.
I get that you aren’t affected but thousands are.
By your logic, we should just not do anything with our largest trading partner and I dunno, just wait for almost half a decade until we like the administration?
I get that you aren’t affected but thousands are.
I don’t know where on earth you got the idea that this doesn’t impact me.
The cavalier attitude is a big give away. Usually folks worried about their kids and mortgages understand the costs.
And you would know because you are also impacted?
No, I guess being well read and having empathy kind of allow me to consider how things affect other Canadians who are not me?
So despite the fact that you don’t have proximity to the issue, you’re able to use your reasoning and knowledge of the matter to come up with a valid opinion we all have to respect. But you assume I am not in close proximity to the issue, so I’m not allowed to do that. Is that about right? Just want to make sure we’re on the same page here
