10-year-old Fatima Jaafar Abdullah was killed in pager explosions in Lebanon.

Israel murders another kid again.

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    Reported as a biased source and MBFC backs that up… when talking about Turkish issues, they are very pro government.

    As this doesn’t readily involve the Turkish government, I’ll allow it.

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      “MBFC” is basically a single dude’s opinion, containing a shitton of bias. Using it to verify credibility of anything is wrong.

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        If you have a better solution involving an API we can use for free, I’m open.

        I see no issue with the MBFC assessment on this source.

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          LOL this is the hilarious response of
          “Oh yeah?! Don’t have anything better than putting a biased source of credibility attached to every article for no reason other than for people to use to dismiss articles and not read them?!
          Well too bad removing it isn’t an option! Find me a different one cause it makes me feel good!”
          said the minority.

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              The only idea you will accept is yours, literally has to be there cause of no particular reason other than personal desires and wants.

              Its like saying the only option is punching or kicking children cause you won’t accept the answer of “stop abusing them!”

              Maybe just back off and listen? Or at this point I am forced to assume the mods are being paid for including something that has not been positively talked about once. And they are just taking payment.

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                Oh, no, we’re fully accepting of other ideas. We even had a meeting with another fact checking company who wanted to charge us 6 figures for API access, so that’s a non-starter.

                The basics are really simple - You think MBFC is biased? Cite an example and name someone better.

                We’re waiting…

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                  You aren’t accepting of other ideas you just want someone to tell you what they are apparently. These “fact checkers” are for making a profit or paying themselves and mostly exist to make you feel good about being picky with what information you ignore in a world where there mostly isn’t good options for any number of reasons depending who you agree with.

                  You can’t seen to get the idea that we don’t view it as necessary and visual clutter. And the option we are aiming for isn’t a replacement that you seen to be stuck on because, see above.

                  https://misinforeview.hks.harvard.edu/article/the-presence-of-unexpected-biases-in-online-fact-checking/

                  People aren’t likely to change their stance either it just reconfirms set feelings for the most part unless it is a lie at which point it should already be removed right?

                  So this is at best a badge for pretending civility. It’s pointless.

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    If iPhones had explosives planted in them straight out of the factory and would’ve went off in New York all at the same time, injuring thousands and endangering people around them, the 24/7 news cycle would’ve already called for total annihilation and what not.

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    I get going after your ‘enemy,’ but this is even worse than firing randomly into a crowd of Palestinians. They pushed a button not knowing who would die. This is low, even for them.

    I can’t even think of a devil’s advocate argument for this.

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      I believe the devil’s advocate argument would be that, based on Hezbollah’s internal communications, the Mossad intercepted a shipment of pagers which were being purchased to replace their (potentially compromised) mobile phones, knowing that these were - in theory - being distributed exclusively to Hezbollah operatives. That would make it the most precise military strike of all time.

      Everyone who launches a rocket is accepting the possibility of “collateral damage”, but this is surely the most surgical of surgical strikes in history. And yet, yes, they must have accepted the risk of bystander casualties, which just serves to highlight how awful that logic is. It’s definitely not worse than randomly firing into a crowd, though.

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        It’s literally a war crime to attack people who are not actively participating in combat. That includes people who are members of your enemy’s military.

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          That would make every crime a war crime going back thousands of years where they would lay siege on villages until the citizens starved

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              That means the term “war crimes” is meaningless because it would just mean war. The point of specifying some actions as war crimes is to denote things that even in war you shouldn’t do not just say that all wars are crimes

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        That would make it the most precise military strike of all time.

        Pretty sure that honor still goes to the R9X Slap Chop. The pager explosions, on the other hand, injured thousands.

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          I really don’t get it. Other than the “WAOW” factor, this certainly can’t have been a good use of resources for Israel.

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            They already believed their communications were being intercepted so switched to another method.

            That method then literally blew up in their pockets.

            The amount of fear and distrust of the supply chain can’t be overstated.

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              I dunno man. I just feel like if you’re at the point where you can clandestinely intercept huge amounts of your enemy’s personal communication devices, ‘turn them into bombs’ feels like a bit of a low-yield outcome.

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                Consider it backwards: Israel sees this attack happening so valuable, that they were willing to forego using the pagers for spying.

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      Not that I think the Israel is the good guy in this conflict, but your argument is pretty weak.

      Pager are designed to be trackable. If you have such deep access to these devices, you know exactly who got called by whom and when.

      Yes, there will be collateral damage, but that’s almost a given in any armed conflict.

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        So which armed conflict in the middle of Beirut are you talking about now?