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    There was a day, not too long ago, where I’d seriously considered buying a Tesla. And I nearly did.

    As of today, I for one will never buy a single Tesla product - not a car, not a truck, not a battery, not a robot, whatever - for as long as I live.

    And no decision from Tesla leadership will change my mind at this point. Fuck them.

    Even if that makes me a crazy old man 30-40 years from now when all this is in the past. Never means never.

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      I love my Tesla and have zero issues with it. Sure I think Elon’s a moron but I won’t let that fact stop me from enjoying an awesome car.

      They are the best EV out there, despite all the shit you hear about from people who’ve never driven or owned one.

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        They are the best EV out there

        First of all, there are a ton of EVs right now, with a new one coming out every day. While Teslas are generally solid EVs, it’s not so obvious thay they are the best. Have you seen the new Chinese ones? Have you tried them?

        Second, this means little even if accurate. For the time being, EVs have little purpose due to the technology (mostly batteries) being incredibly underdeveloped for use in vehicles. So “the best EV” is still, overall, terrible.

        Their main advantage is supposedly that they are environment-friendly. Well, that is mostly (still not fully) true only if you never swap out the battery. Which in a few years makes the car barely usable. Due to the way lithium-ion batteries work, their condition degrades rapidly when you charge them quickly, or only half-way, or leave them charging overnight. It’s the same as in a smartphone. Just look at people’s iPhone’s battery conditions after one year of use. Except in an EV, battery life directly translates to range.

        A Tesla Model S has a marketed range of 373 miles. At 100%, brand new battery condition. Regular use can bring the condition down to as little as 80% over a period of one year. That depletes the car’s range to approximately 300 miles. And the condition will continue to drop. To keep the condition high, you’d need to charge the battery relatively slowly (24-48 hours of charging) and from a very low charge to a mostly full charge. Precisely the same way you keep your phone’s battery condition high. This is simply unrealistic in the context of EVs.

        This leaves us with the inevitable replacement of batteries, which alone generate more CO2 emissions to produce than entire combustion engine cars, including driving them for a year on average. Does this still sound environmentally friendly to anyone?

        As it stands, the technology just isn’t there for us to be able to make good, environment-friendly EVs. And I’m ignoring all of their other issues here. To include everything, you’d have to write a novel. I don’t mean to hate on EVs too much, but to me personally it looks like currently they just make very little, if any, sense. Maybe in a few years? Chinese companies are successfully developing new types of batteries, but they’re not sharing them with western companies.

        We’ll see what the future brings. In any event, don’t stop boycotting Tesla even if the CEO changes. Musk still has a shitload of Tesla stock, so the company’s financial state is closely linked to his.

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          There’s far too much misinformation in your post to bother. You clearly know very little about EV’s and how they work.

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            Care to refute any of their points or are paragraphs too hard?

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    The American consumer is a fucking idiot, this has a high chance of success as people forget about Elon and go back to buying them.

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      I mean, in fairness, do we have any qualms with the rest of the company? Elon was directly responsible for pretty much all of the cyber truck decisions. But the regular Tesla’s, aside from Elon prohibiting lidar and making false claims about self driving, are pretty decent. Without him, lidar might get implemented, the cyber truck will probably be scrapped, and real engineers will have their voices heard again.

      Isn’t that kind of what we want from a company? To realize their errors and remove the cancerous parts?

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        They’re overvalued in the triple multiples compared to other American car companies because they’re a meme stock and halfway ran on government subsidies we paid for rather than putting it into education or social causes.

        A step in the right direction isn’t good enough when there’s miles to tread.

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          A step in the right direction isn’t good enough when there’s miles to tread.

          So all or nothing? Then you’ll get nothing.

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            Good, fuck em. There’s no negotiation here. I don’t care if the entire company goes under. What great service is Tesla providing? Not enough mobile beta-testers riding bombs down the rosd? They do nothing for the people supporting them.

            I guess a new company will have to rise up so entitled Californians can be tricked by marketing into thinking they’re saving the planet when the batteries were mined by gas-powered machines using the same poor brown folk they feel sorry for on Bluesky.

            Cry a river.

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        He will still have a shitload of shares. I don’t need to get into the nitty-gritty detail of whether I hate the company or its products; his stock in it is what allowed him to buy the election for Trump, so fuck Tesla.

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          But did Tesla facilitate that or was Tesla worn like a puppet by an investor(Elon). There’s a distinct difference and what I’m asking. Do we blame every company that gets gutted by Venture Capitalists? Do they have no path to redemption?