California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s office said the governor was denied entry into a venue at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, on Jan. 21, after being invited to speak at the event due to “pressure” from the Trump administration.
Newsom had been scheduled to speak with Fortune at the USA House, Davos, a privately organized event, at the World Economic Forum, which has been recognized by the U.S. government as the nation’s headquarters in Davos.
Yeah talking with a shitty media personality is basically the same as deploying brownshirts and the actual military to American cities
If you can’t see how regularly platforming and legitimizing right wing ghouls to your predominantly liberal audience doesn’t create the permission structure that allows for the deploying of various breed of thugs to American cities, I don’t know what to tell you.
Gavin Newsom is a dangerous man, and should be treated as such.
Apparently Newsom and Kamala Harris are currently polling the best to become the Democratic nominee in 2028. If you think Newsom is evil then okay, but I think he would be less evil than MAGA. Some people might hope for someone like AOC to be the nominee, but she seems to be polling worse.
Gavin Newsome is among the last people I’d like to see become president. And yet I’m not convinced just because he spoke with Ben Shapiro he’d support what’s going on now. If we care about the actual facts he’s been outspoken against the use of ICE and the military in American cities and has sued the federal government several times over this.
So if we go back to the original point, no Newsome would not have done what Trump has done.
There’s a long list of better leaders that also wouldn’t have done what Trump has done, but the bar has been set in hell so here we are
I want to be very clear, he’s talked to way more conservatives than just Been Shapiro.
He’s agreed with them on their transphobic talking points. He proudly talks about violently breaking up homeless encampments.
Newsom is already does a lot of what Trump does. He just does it in a way that’s more appealing to white liberals.
Would he be as overt or crass about it? Obviously not, but that’s not the point. This kind of fascistic scapegoating of
the untermenschenvulnerable people, and using the violent arms of the state to deal with them, is unacceptable no matter who’s doing it.Oh yeah don’t disagree with any of that, but like I said the bar is in hell.
To the original point he wouldn’t be utilizing ICE and the military the way Trump is.
As for the homeless Newsome would support criminalization, but not murder.
For Trans individuals he would support a loss of rights but not criminalization or murder.
I can’t say the same for Trump. With him its a ticking clock on when the death camps fire up, and they likely already have under ICE.
I guess my problem is saying they are exactly the same when one is very clearly worse. I’d much rather have neither, and truthfully I don’t think Newsome will win a primary (although the DNC is corrupt) and I agree an actual leftist canidate has a much better chance of winning the presidency (assuming elections happen). I don’t think the powers that be will go for that, but here we are in hell
You keep saying he’d support criminalization and loss of rights for certain people, but not murder.
Except those things result in deaths, regardless, and thus represent Social Murder.
The fact is that these people who Newsom consider undesirable, are succumbing to hunger, exposure, forced relocation, suicide, loss of healthcare access, or denial of access to public spaces and services, all through the action and deliberate inaction, of the state, through policy he supports.
This is what I mean when I say he supports a lot of the same things Trump does, just in a way that is acceptable to liberals.
Instead of armed men going door to door, these people simply die, quietly, and out of sight. Their deaths, and the policy which led to them, are rendered no less unjust by their aesthetic qualities.
By shrugging and saying “well the bar is in hell!”, we also shrug off the responsibility to combat this shit in whatever form it takes
Once again your not wrong here either. I don’t disagree, but you’re showing a complete lack of nuance.
Social murder or death camps? Hmm which is worse nobody knows.
If someone were to mug you you can’t just say “I reject this scenario” you’d be dead.
You hand over your money you’d be alive.
Just because you hand over your money doesn’t mean you support the existence of mugging. You support the immediate continuation of your life.
Also this: “By shrugging and saying “well the bar is in hell!”, we also shrug off the responsibility to combat this shit in whatever form it takes” is just untrue.
Honestly I’m getting a bit tired of you trying to use me as a spring board for your arguements.
So to get back to the original point, which you keep ignoring, Trump and Newsome are not identical. A lot more people would be alive today if we switched the two. That’s not an endorsement of Newsome, and I’m tired of you trying to make it one. The world is not black and white sorry. Someone can be better than where we are and still not good.
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Brownshirts were civilians not law enforcement. Law enforcement acting such is like the SS, and SA, not the brownshirts.
Sure there’s likely not a direct comparison, but the party has rapidly enabled its own selected force to brutalize a large section of the population with impunity.
Ao draw the analogy you want, it’s bad though. Couldn’t be much worse
The SS or SA is not a bad direct comparison. Brownshirts were the nazi version, the Italians did so first with their blackshirts. Civilian groups, street brawlers, that would target left wing groups, leaders, burn down their businesses, beat them up, shit like that.
The brownshirts would stir up shit to force new elections all the time and the nazis kept getting more and more votes each election, supported by big business because they were anti socialist. The SS and SA were like the official goons although not law enforcement before hitler’s chancellorship obviously.
Everyone hated the brownshirts, including those rich that supported the nazis, so after they had control, and consolidated power with the SS and SA able to handle security, they killed all the brown shirt leadership in the night of the long knives, partly out of paranoia but partly to appease the rich that preferred the organized official violence to the dumbass street brawlers.
That said, Ice is like the SS, or SA, I’m trying to remember but the SA was mostly folded into the SS after they consolidated power but for a while they were parallel law enforcement type organizations controlled by hitler. Except Germany was broke, the USA just gave Ice more money than any militaries in the world get other than yours truly and China.
Calling Ben Shapiro a shitty media personality is dangerous. He’s one of the men with the most reach and media influence in this administration. Don’t doubt the power of gobbels
Ben became irrelevant years ago, and had certainly been replaced. Not every dipshit republican media personality is gobbels
I believe his rhetoric was definitely part of the movement that led us here, but he wasn’t the main driver