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Unless you’ve spent time around these people, it is almost impossible to really grasp how little understanding they have of factual reality.
I guarantee you they all think the left killed Charlie Kirk. Their whole picture of the world is formed from absolutely insane Republican propaganda. They probably don’t even really encounter the “theory” that the assassin was sent by anyone else, but when they do see it in passing, it can be safely discounted like lemmy.ml discounts Wikipedia, because the whole media is a NATO liberal lie machine that’s just designed to destroy them. And they all get together with each other and aggressively reinforce to each other the model they’ve been given. It gives them a warm feeling of belonging, because there is almost no community or brotherhood in American society in the present day, and so they’re getting something they need way deep deep down in their soul, from being able to get together and feel like they’re on the same team with trusted allies against a genuine threat, and talk together and get amped up facing all in the same direction and feel together.
The left killed Charlie Kirk. Biden stole the election. The planes are crashing because of DEI. Michelle Obama is a man. Kids are peeing in litter boxes at school. The left is doing post-birth abortions, or pushing the babies back up into the mother so they can kill it and call it an abortion. Men are joining women’s sports and going into women’s bathrooms and saying they’re “transgender” and it’s a horrifying threat, the little girls are getting beat up when they just want to do sports. Covid was mostly just a bad cold that the pharmaceutical companies made into a big deal, and the vaccine is killing people.
It’s just a nonstop avalanche of nonsense, and they all think it’s all true. Every word. Another thing that American society has denied to them is a solid grasp on the world outside, an understanding of history and the forces that are shaping their daily lives. They definitely know that the life they live isn’t the way it’s supposed to be. But they don’t really have the critical thinking skills they would need in order to poke holes in this whole explanation they get for why that is (which they get inundated with), and they would pay a punishing social cost if they ever started questioning even the elements that really don’t make much sense. But most of it genuinely makes sense to them. They hear it every day at loud, loud volume, and they don’t hear much else.
And part of what they know for sure is who to blame: You and me. We ruined the world they worked so hard to build, and now we’re openly assassinating their leaders. And so why wouldn’t they fight “back”?
I’ve talked with them. They think it’s true. The internet twats who are smart enough to know it’s basically lies but just enjoy the fact that they can play around and get people frustrated by arguing with them are the absolute upper echelon of educatedness. People who play around on the wider internet and are exposed to lots of conflicting points of view is the environment for you and me, but it is not where most of the January 6th people existed, intellectually.
Milton Sanford Mayer interviewed a bunch of people in Germany after the war, and except for one professor, none of them had any idea about the camps or much idea of anything the Nazis were up to. They just remembered that they liked Hitler because the country was unified and the economy was better, but then the allies started bombing them, and it was dangerous and their cities got ruined, and they didn’t like that. Mostly the mindset was “what the fuck how could they be so mean to us, we didn’t do anything.” I mean, what newspaper would they even read to find out anything different? We’re spoiled for choice in the modern world in terms of knowing more or less what’s going on, but that shit’s not automatic.
They believe the left consists of no one but minorities, lgbtq, and women.
I’m not kidding at all. I can walk right up to these conversations people will have and no one will blink an eye.
But they believe it so much that they will kill other white men who don’t conform to the group. That’s why Kirk was killed. He was a man that existed outside the in-group and needed to be cleaned up.
All of these takes are plausible, but it’s still just pure speculation. He’s not a clear indication of either side or sub-group, so until more definitive evidence comes out it only does more damage to make unfounded claims.
Fight back against the white men who are killing the other white men?
Unless you’ve spent time around these people, it is almost impossible to really grasp how little understanding they have of factual reality.
I guarantee you they all think the left killed Charlie Kirk. Their whole picture of the world is formed from absolutely insane Republican propaganda. They probably don’t even really encounter the “theory” that the assassin was sent by anyone else, but when they do see it in passing, it can be safely discounted like lemmy.ml discounts Wikipedia, because the whole media is a
NATOliberal lie machine that’s just designed to destroy them. And they all get together with each other and aggressively reinforce to each other the model they’ve been given. It gives them a warm feeling of belonging, because there is almost no community or brotherhood in American society in the present day, and so they’re getting something they need way deep deep down in their soul, from being able to get together and feel like they’re on the same team with trusted allies against a genuine threat, and talk together and get amped up facing all in the same direction and feel together.The left killed Charlie Kirk. Biden stole the election. The planes are crashing because of DEI. Michelle Obama is a man. Kids are peeing in litter boxes at school. The left is doing post-birth abortions, or pushing the babies back up into the mother so they can kill it and call it an abortion. Men are joining women’s sports and going into women’s bathrooms and saying they’re “transgender” and it’s a horrifying threat, the little girls are getting beat up when they just want to do sports. Covid was mostly just a bad cold that the pharmaceutical companies made into a big deal, and the vaccine is killing people.
It’s just a nonstop avalanche of nonsense, and they all think it’s all true. Every word. Another thing that American society has denied to them is a solid grasp on the world outside, an understanding of history and the forces that are shaping their daily lives. They definitely know that the life they live isn’t the way it’s supposed to be. But they don’t really have the critical thinking skills they would need in order to poke holes in this whole explanation they get for why that is (which they get inundated with), and they would pay a punishing social cost if they ever started questioning even the elements that really don’t make much sense. But most of it genuinely makes sense to them. They hear it every day at loud, loud volume, and they don’t hear much else.
And part of what they know for sure is who to blame: You and me. We ruined the world they worked so hard to build, and now we’re openly assassinating their leaders. And so why wouldn’t they fight “back”?
The reality is so much worse.
The great majority of them KNOW it’s not true, but pretend to “because fuck you, you can’t prove I don’t.”
I’ve talked with them. They think it’s true. The internet twats who are smart enough to know it’s basically lies but just enjoy the fact that they can play around and get people frustrated by arguing with them are the absolute upper echelon of educatedness. People who play around on the wider internet and are exposed to lots of conflicting points of view is the environment for you and me, but it is not where most of the January 6th people existed, intellectually.
Milton Sanford Mayer interviewed a bunch of people in Germany after the war, and except for one professor, none of them had any idea about the camps or much idea of anything the Nazis were up to. They just remembered that they liked Hitler because the country was unified and the economy was better, but then the allies started bombing them, and it was dangerous and their cities got ruined, and they didn’t like that. Mostly the mindset was “what the fuck how could they be so mean to us, we didn’t do anything.” I mean, what newspaper would they even read to find out anything different? We’re spoiled for choice in the modern world in terms of knowing more or less what’s going on, but that shit’s not automatic.
They’re not interested in getting the message. The dog whistles went out a long time ago and there’s no calling them back.
They believe the left consists of no one but minorities, lgbtq, and women.
I’m not kidding at all. I can walk right up to these conversations people will have and no one will blink an eye.
But they believe it so much that they will kill other white men who don’t conform to the group. That’s why Kirk was killed. He was a man that existed outside the in-group and needed to be cleaned up.
he isnt right enough for the groypers, they need to be nick fuentes right, not Charlie kirk right.
Correct I should specify he wasn’t the in-groyp (haha get it) to Fuentes.
All of these takes are plausible, but it’s still just pure speculation. He’s not a clear indication of either side or sub-group, so until more definitive evidence comes out it only does more damage to make unfounded claims.
I have reliable intel that Saddam Hussein was behind this