Destroy Reality. Create a Multiverse.

MULTIVERSE is a PieFed instance for soulists. Our rules are designed to create a safe space for minorities, including those considered unreal by society. We are also an anarchist instance and do not allow tankie propaganda. We aim for transparent and fair moderation in line with the principles of anarcho-antirealism, and to be fertile ground for discussion of soulist ideology. We also aim to be intuitive to use for new fediverse denizens who don’t care how federation works, and are just interested in the politics. Our manifesto can be found at http://soulism.net/.

  • El Barto@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    Yes. Gravity does not ask one’s consent before pulling.

    Lol you lost me here.

    What about oxygen? We’re enslaved by it. We can’t escape it. What are you guys doing about it?

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        18 hours ago

        You technically answered my question, but that verges in strawman territory, man. I was talking about the absurdity of considering gravity a form of human oppression. Can you tell me why I shouldn’t see it as absurd, given that it’s a natural, inescapable law?

        • Grail@multiverse.soulism.netOP
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          10 hours ago

          I don’t really care whether you see gravity as inescapable (though I’m glad the Wright brothers didn’t), but there are other “natural, inescapable laws” that are completely fake, and some people cause a lot of harm by attacking those who break them. And so I want you to be open to the concept of people accomplishing the impossible, so that you won’t be one of those people.

          For example, gender essentialists claim that sex is a “natural, inescapable law”. And that makes them transphobic. Species essentialists claim that species is a “natural, inescapable law”, and not just a convenient social construct biologists use to make their jobs easier. And that makes them kinphobic.

          I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.

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            10 hours ago

            I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.

            I can certainly do that.

            I don’t really care whether you see gravity as inescapable

            Well, this is not helping.


            But sorry, absolutely no one can escape gravity. It’s everywhere in the universe. Can you escape Earth’s gravity? Sure. Good luck escaping the solar system’s gravity, or the galaxy’s gravity, or the local cluster’s gravity. So that’s my point. The Wright Brothers “example” is a non-starter.

            Everything else you mentioned are not “natural laws.” They are human/social constructs, which you pointed out and we can agree on.

            But I thought soulism went beyond that. It’s okay. Today I learned something new. Thanks.

            • Grail@multiverse.soulism.netOP
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              7 hours ago

              The belief in an objective reality is the source of all bigotries and nearly all oppressions. It’s the reason for religious genocides, transphobia, capitalism, and zionism. You believe in less reality than the people who do those things. You’re less realist. I want you to go further, be more radical, believe in no reality. I think you haven’t gone far enough yet.

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              10 hours ago

              Well, Donald Hoffman, the cognitive psychologist investigating perception of reality, has asserted that spacetime is a mental construct that simplifies our perception of the world around us so that it requires fewer resources to sustain. Since under Einstein gravity is curvature of spacetime, if true this means gravity is part of our interface too. There is something making people fall down ladders, but it’s not as simple as our mind perceives it to be, even for Einstein. Newtonian gravity and Aristotlean gravity have of course been entirely debunked and were thus “escaped”.

              So yeah, gravity is fake. But gravity’s fakeness isn’t that important.